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(Aug. 01, 2019  5:06 AM)Ranch+Kerbeus Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 01, 2019  3:27 AM)Armor Wrote: [ -> ]I thought it was a spring problem? And I don’t think the weight of the driver affects bursts...

I might be entirely wrong but I believe additional weight increases inertia and increased inertia or outward weight in anything below the Layer can make it harder for the bottom of the combo to stop spinning for that split second when a big hit is taken, resulting in clicks. I think this effect can be nullified if the Layer can rival the weight of the Disc and Driver. Someone fact check me.

No you’re right. But the problem is the way the driver is shaped doesn’t give that much OWD, more CWD and weight concentrated at the bottom(low center of gravity)

(Jul. 28, 2019  2:31 AM)Rouzuke Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, quite surprising combos. I checked the event page for any ruleset/restrictions, but didn't see any. Curious as to how each combo performed against what combo tho.

The Puerto Rico meta is in the worst possible place right now, because of the fact that most people either have just Hasbro Beys or bad Hasbro Beys; on top of that most kids I've seen have also bought fake beys (which they bring because: "Hey, they're Takara Tomy" (they're not)) throughout the months/years so in the tournament they need to default to any legal beys they managed to bring, which are almost always bad. I was really surprised when I saw with the combos he used, never expected to see those on our first tournament, given that all other events I've seen here are Hasbro only.

Judgement Joker Zan Blitz Xtreme Dash - I guess this is a typical tank attack type

LC Hell Salamander 0Bump Orbit - looks a bit iffy, but it worked (I'd personally prefer 10Cross.Xtend+ tho)

Didn't have much time to test anything Xtend+; this was originally an Atomic combo and only switch to Orbit cause I self-KO less.

Cho-Z Spriggan 00Wall Bearing (Deck Format Finals Only) - another staple meta combo


Cho-Z Valkyrie 0Bump Atomic - nice, I'd assume this was on a tilt or sliding launch to prevent self-KO

Correct.

Cho-Z Achilles 0Bump Atomic - same as above (could've been better on Destroy' imo)

Pretty sure nobody owns Destroy' here.

Cho-Z Spriggan 0Wall Bearing - another staple meta combo

Cho-Z Spriggan 00Wall Bearing (Deck Format Finals Only) - same as above


This line-up quite amused and confused me at the same time:

Venom Diabolos Vanguard Bullet - what? a stock combo? HORRIII SH-
Erase Diabolos Vanguard Bullet - another stock combo? NANIIIIII

Slash Valkyrie Retsu Blitz Power - why stock combo??? 

Basically his only (TT) Beys, only other driver he has is Sword, because of our meta being where it is he easily placed by being a decent blader and (I'd guess) scoping his opponents. He only won with Diabolos in the first stage and used stock Slash in the finals.  

Would like some info and feedback (not really a blow-by-blow account) of the matches each combo went through, cuz some of the combos are quite not as I'd expect

(Jul. 28, 2019  2:38 AM)Dash Driver Wrote: [ -> ]I’m surprised the stock combos got them to the top 3.

Can be summarized with: Good matchups for him (+ scoping) and horrible current meta.

(Jul. 28, 2019  11:10 AM)Spriggan 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Wow. Stock combos in the top three. we need to know how. XD

See above

A Flare Fight - 08/04/19
Brooklyn, New York - Burst Standard

1st

Balkesh B3 00Turn Bearing (Deck & Group)
Cho Z Spriggan 0Lift Atomic (Deck)
Orb Egis Outer Yielding (Deck)


2nd

Judgment Diabolos Vanguard Hold' (Deck & Group)
Perfect Phoenix 00Bump Bullet (Deck)
Cho Z Spriggan 0Wall Bearing (Deck)
Venom Valkyrie Drake Blow' (Group)


3rd

Balkesh B3 0Wall Bearing (Group)
Judgment Valkyrie 2Bump Destroy' TEN (Deck)
Balkesh B3 00Wall Bearing (Deck)
Cho Z Spriggan 0Glaive Bearing (Group)

(Aug. 04, 2019  10:23 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote: [ -> ]A Flare Fight - 08/04/19

Those are some very uncommon combos. Yielding, 2 Disc, Lift on Atomic..
Must have been an interesting tourney to watch

(Aug. 04, 2019  10:23 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote: [ -> ]

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A Flare Fight - 08/04/19
Brooklyn, New York - Burst Standard

1st

Balkesh B3 00Turn Bearing (Deck & Group)
Cho Z Spriggan 0Lift Atomic (Deck)
Orb Egis Outer Yielding (Deck)


2nd

Judgment Diabolos Vanguard Hold' (Deck & Group)
Perfect Phoenix 00Bump Bullet (Deck)
Cho Z Spriggan 0Wall Bearing (Deck)
Venom Valkyrie Drake Blow' (Group)


3rd

Balkesh B3 0Wall Bearing (Group)
Judgment Valkyrie 2Bump Destroy' TEN (Deck)
Balkesh B3 00Wall Bearing (Deck)
Cho Z Spriggan 0Glaive Bearing (Group)

Lift atomic, outer yielding, vanguard hold' (that too on a judgement combo...), drake blow' (shouldn't this scrape a lot), pP 00b bullet?! (maximum chaos) and 2b destroy'.......meta shattered....

(Aug. 05, 2019  8:53 AM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 04, 2019  10:23 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote: [ -> ]

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A Flare Fight - 08/04/19
Brooklyn, New York - Burst Standard

1st

Balkesh B3 00Turn Bearing (Deck & Group)
Cho Z Spriggan 0Lift Atomic (Deck)
Orb Egis Outer Yielding (Deck)


2nd

Judgment Diabolos Vanguard Hold' (Deck & Group)
Perfect Phoenix 00Bump Bullet (Deck)
Cho Z Spriggan 0Wall Bearing (Deck)
Venom Valkyrie Drake Blow' (Group)


3rd

Balkesh B3 0Wall Bearing (Group)
Judgment Valkyrie 2Bump Destroy' TEN (Deck)
Balkesh B3 00Wall Bearing (Deck)
Cho Z Spriggan 0Glaive Bearing (Group)

Lift atomic, outer yielding, vanguard hold' (that too on a judgement combo...), drake blow' (shouldn't this scrape a lot), pP 00b bullet?! (maximum chaos) and 2b destroy'.......meta shattered....

Honestly, I wish the meta involved more parts. I really think the meta hasn't changed much from the pP, hS, and aH phase. Of course we've gotten extremely powerful attack layers such as the Judgement and Zwei layer bases, but pP still dominates the meta(am I wrong? maybe I am  )

(Aug. 03, 2019  8:50 AM)Barreto Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jul. 28, 2019  2:31 AM)Rouzuke Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, quite surprising combos. I checked the event page for any ruleset/restrictions, but didn't see any. Curious as to how each combo performed against what combo tho.

The Puerto Rico meta is in the worst possible place right now, because of the fact that most people either have just Hasbro Beys or bad Hasbro Beys; on top of that most kids I've seen have also bought fake beys (which they bring because: "Hey, they're Takara Tomy" (they're not)) throughout the months/years so in the tournament they need to default to any legal beys they managed to bring, which are almost always bad. I was really surprised when I saw with the combos he used, never expected to see those on our first tournament, given that all other events I've seen here are Hasbro only.

Judgement Joker Zan Blitz Xtreme Dash - I guess this is a typical tank attack type

LC Hell Salamander 0Bump Orbit - looks a bit iffy, but it worked (I'd personally prefer 10Cross.Xtend+ tho)

Didn't have much time to test anything Xtend+; this was originally an Atomic combo and only switch to Orbit cause I self-KO less.

Cho-Z Spriggan 00Wall Bearing (Deck Format Finals Only) - another staple meta combo


Cho-Z Valkyrie 0Bump Atomic - nice, I'd assume this was on a tilt or sliding launch to prevent self-KO

Correct.

Cho-Z Achilles 0Bump Atomic - same as above (could've been better on Destroy' imo)

Pretty sure nobody owns Destroy' here.

Cho-Z Spriggan 0Wall Bearing - another staple meta combo

Cho-Z Spriggan 00Wall Bearing (Deck Format Finals Only) - same as above


This line-up quite amused and confused me at the same time:

Venom Diabolos Vanguard Bullet - what? a stock combo? HORRIII SH-
Erase Diabolos Vanguard Bullet - another stock combo? NANIIIIII

Slash Valkyrie Retsu Blitz Power - why stock combo??? 

Basically his only (TT) Beys, only other driver he has is Sword, because of our meta being where it is he easily placed by being a decent blader and (I'd guess) scoping his opponents. He only won with Diabolos in the first stage and used stock Slash in the finals.  

Would like some info and feedback (not really a blow-by-blow account) of the matches each combo went through, cuz some of the combos are quite not as I'd expect

(Jul. 28, 2019  2:38 AM)Dash Driver Wrote: [ -> ]I’m surprised the stock combos got them to the top 3.

Can be summarized with: Good matchups for him (+ scoping) and horrible current meta.

(Jul. 28, 2019  11:10 AM)Spriggan 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Wow. Stock combos in the top three. we need to know how. XD

See above

I was just wondering if there was any unique technique he could be using. And also because venom diabolos(and erase) with bullet doesn't seem to do well.

(Aug. 05, 2019  10:11 AM)Armor Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 05, 2019  8:53 AM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: [ -> ]Lift atomic, outer yielding, vanguard hold' (that too on a judgement combo...), drake blow' (shouldn't this scrape a lot), pP 00b bullet?! (maximum chaos) and 2b destroy'.......meta shattered....

Honestly, I wish the meta involved more parts. I really think the meta hasn't changed much from the pP, hS, and aH phase. Of course we've gotten extremely powerful attack layers such as the Judgement and Zwei layer bases, but pP still dominates the meta(am I wrong? maybe I am  )

Those 3 layers are still in use, but a good no. of other layers are into the mix with them now.

The NY Tournament Scene is interesting, i am not surprised by the combos

(Aug. 05, 2019  10:11 AM)Armor Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 05, 2019  8:53 AM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: [ -> ]Lift atomic, outer yielding, vanguard hold' (that too on a judgement combo...), drake blow' (shouldn't this scrape a lot), pP 00b bullet?! (maximum chaos) and 2b destroy'.......meta shattered....

Honestly, I wish the meta involved more parts. I really think the meta hasn't changed much from the pP, hS, and aH phase. Of course we've gotten extremely powerful attack layers such as the Judgement and Zwei layer bases, but pP still dominates the meta(am I wrong? maybe I am  )

hS is all but vanished. aH saw a little more use recently but that too is mostly disused. Balkesh has made a huge comeback.

(Aug. 05, 2019  3:19 PM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 05, 2019  10:11 AM)Armor Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly, I wish the meta involved more parts. I really think the meta hasn't changed much from the pP, hS, and aH phase. Of course we've gotten extremely powerful attack layers such as the Judgement and Zwei layer bases, but pP still dominates the meta(am I wrong? maybe I am  )

hS is all but vanished. aH saw a little more use recently but that too is mostly disused. Balkesh has made a huge comeback.

Is it safe to assume that when someone posts Balkesh, they meant the Hasbro one? So many tournaments under the WBO rules don't restrict using Hasbro against TT (which then would explain why B3 is being used a lot in the winning combos recently)

Balkesh is Hasbro, Arc Bahamut is TT. I don't even consider Arc Bahamut and Balkesh B3 to be the same layer. Arc Bahamut's teeth are weak, and although in the past it saw use in opposite spin steal, it is severely outclassed by ChoZ releases and beyond. Balkesh B3, on the other hand, has ridiculously good slopes. When combined with the ridiculously tight spring on Hasbro Bearing, it's good. It's not perfect, it has a lot of counters. But it's quite good.

You'll never see Arc Bahamut in the winning combinations of a Burst Standard tournament now. But you'll see Balkesh.

Beyblade East Part 2
Burst Classic Format | Pennsylvania, USA | August 4, 2019

1st Place: Wombat
Roktavor Heavy Cycle
Spryzen S2 Gravity Iron
Odin Heavy Blow
Neptune Yell Eternal
Minoboros Knuckle Quick'
Dragoon F Polish Absorb (Deck Format Finals Only)
Odin Heavy Defense (Deck Format Finals Only)

2nd Place: shota
Storm Spriggan Knuckle Unite
Acid Anubis Yell Orbit
Gigant Gaia Central Bearing
Gigant Gaia Central Absorb (Deck Format Finals Only)

3rd Place: Ardmore Bladers
Dragoon F Polish Absorb
Spriggan Limited Xtreme'
Deathscyther Yell Eternal
Odin Heavy Defense
Victory Valkyrie Gravity Zeta' (Deck Format Finals Only)
Victory Valkyrie Knuckle Xtreme' (Deck Format Finals Only)
Victory Valkyrie Gravity Xtreme' (Deck Format Finals Only)

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Despite only having 18 players, I personally felt that the level of competition and variety at this tournament was significantly higher than any other Classic tournaments I've been to, and the meta felt pretty balanced as well. KO Attack wasn't used super frequently but when it was, it definitely worked - bladekid defeated Ardmore Bladers' Dragoon combo with V2.A.X in the group stage, and then Ardmore got him back using only V2.G.X' in the 3rd place match. I was also able to use M.K.Qc' as a pretty neat Anti-Attack combo both times I played against Ardmore. A few people kept KO Defense types in their decks but I don't think any of them had a chance to use them. Aside from that, no other parts were really that dominant, though Odin, Neptune, and Dragoon tended to be the most popular choices for Stamina/Burst Defense. Orpheus, Wolborg, Zillion Zeus, and Yard-S also put on good showings, but didn't really make it past the top 8. The dark horse of the tournament was definitely shota though, who won both of his first 2 Deck Format matches with exclusively stock Anubis, and actually used the TT Bearing to some success in the first stage.

(Aug. 06, 2019  12:11 AM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: [ -> ]Arc Bahamut's teeth are trash, it's never been good. 

Arc Bahamut saw competetive use pre-ChoZ in similar set ups to current Hell Salamander Bearing combos for opposite spin equalization/ stealing. I think can attest to this. Saying it has never been good is quite the understatement.

I'll correct my message, although those teeth are a huge weakness.

OOF my nepstrius wasn’t on the list

Question: is Gaia Dragoon allowed for Burst Classic? I’d really like to try it out someday

(Aug. 06, 2019  12:43 AM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: [ -> ]I'll correct my message, although those teeth are a huge weakness.

It's teeth aren't it's weakness, they're it's strength.

aB on Bearing will refuse to burst even to left spin attack that far outweighs it, but it will come apart easily by hand. It's not resisting the force put on it at all, that's why it wins.

At this point it's just too light to OS consistently even against opposite spin, but within it's weight class it will dominate.

(Aug. 06, 2019  6:31 AM)Alta Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 06, 2019  12:43 AM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: [ -> ]I'll correct my message, although those teeth are a huge weakness.

It's teeth aren't it's weakness, they're it's strength.

aB on Bearing will refuse to burst even to left spin attack that far outweighs it, but it will come apart easily by hand. It's not resisting the force put on it at all, that's why it wins.

At this point it's just too light to OS consistently even against opposite spin, but within it's weight class it will dominate.

aB on Atomic surprisingly resists left spin opponents very well in its weight class. Unfortunately I cannot say the same of aB Bearing..

Even against right spin opponents, They can launch the right spin bey weaker than aB Bearing and it will burst. It gets to a silly point where me and my friend try to launch our respective beys weaker and weaker, me trying to avoid aB bursting and him trying to burst with low velocity opposite spin.

Weak teeth can never be a "strength". If there is an imaginary aB with better teeth, it would be way more competitive than the actual one we have now. Its why we see Balkesh showing up often but never aB.

(Aug. 06, 2019  10:43 AM)eigerblade Wrote: [ -> ]aB on Atomic surprisingly resists left spin opponents very well in its weight class. Unfortunately I cannot say the same of aB Bearing..

Even against right spin opponents, They can launch the right spin bey weaker than aB Bearing and it will burst. It gets to a silly point where me and my friend try to launch our respective beys weaker and weaker, me trying to avoid aB bursting and him trying to burst with low velocity opposite spin.

Weak teeth can never be a "strength". If there is an imaginary aB with better teeth, it would be way more competitive than the actual one we have now. Its why we see Balkesh showing up often but never aB.

It has a lot to do with adjusting your speed to the opponent, I had a group of players attempt to burst aB on Bearing during the downtime at Beytuber Brawl, they had no success, even with things like nL, some right spin combos, and a right spin illegal heavyweight combo one of them wanted to test.

I could hard launch aB and still not burst, so unless there's something about mine that makes it perform this way I can't see how others have no such luck. Could be that the design of the Layer and how loosely it fits might be helping it regain clicks, clearly that's difficult to prove.

I have picked it up many times after a match carefully, and found that the Layer has either lost no clicks or readjusted back to it's first teeth. I will have to upload a marathon of matches with aB.Br to show the performance I'm talking about.

Anyone wanna answer my question about Gaia Dragoon, or...?

Currently I think it's a yes because of the sheer hinder of the blades spinning

(Aug. 06, 2019  3:00 PM)Armor Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone wanna answer my question about Gaia Dragoon, or...?

(Aug. 06, 2019  12:17 AM)Wombat Wrote: [ -> ]Beyblade East Part 2
Burst Classic Format | Pennsylvania, USA | August 4, 2019

1st Place: Wombat
Roktavor Heavy Cycle
Spryzen S2 Gravity Iron
Odin Heavy Blow
Neptune Yell Eternal
Minoboros Knuckle Quick'
Dragoon F Polish Absorb (Deck Format Finals Only)
Odin Heavy Defense (Deck Format Finals Only)

2nd Place: shota
Storm Spriggan Knuckle Unite
Acid Anubis Yell Orbit
Gigant Gaia Spread Bearing
Gigant Gaia Central Absorb (Deck Format Finals Only)

3rd Place: Ardmore Bladers
Dragoon F Polish Absorb
Spriggan Limited Xtreme'
Deathscyther Yell Eternal
Odin Heavy Defense
Victory Valkyrie Gravity Zeta' (Deck Format Finals Only)
Victory Valkyrie Knuckle Xtreme' (Deck Format Finals Only)
Victory Valkyrie Gravity Xtreme' (Deck Format Finals Only)

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Despite only having 18 players, I personally felt that the level of competition and variety at this tournament was significantly higher than any other Classic tournaments I've been to, and the meta felt pretty balanced as well. KO Attack wasn't used super frequently but when it was, it definitely worked - bladekid defeated Ardmore Bladers' Dragoon combo with V2.A.X in the group stage, and then Ardmore got him back using only V2.G.X' in the 3rd place match. I was also able to use M.K.Qc' as a pretty neat Anti-Attack combo both times I played against Ardmore. A few people kept KO Defense types in their decks but I don't think any of them had a chance to use them. Aside from that, no other parts were really that dominant, though Odin, Neptune, and Dragoon tended to be the most popular choices for Stamina/Burst Defense. Orpheus, Wolborg, Zillion Zeus, and Yard-S also put on good showings, but didn't really make it past the top 8. The dark horse of the tournament was definitely shota though, who won both of his first 2 Deck Format matches with exclusively stock Anubis, and actually used the TT Bearing to some success in the first stage.

I like the variety in these combos. What did the bearing combo beat? Can TT bearing be used in semi mobile attack? I really like the movement that stock phantom Orion has when it is tilt launched. Can the burst version of bearing have similar movement patterns? Also, I have seen people use the combo S2.G.Z, but I have never seen anyone use iron over zephyr in that combo and wondered why that was so. So, why did you use iron over zephyr? Thanks in advance for answering the questions!

(Aug. 06, 2019  3:00 PM)Armor Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone wanna answer my question about Gaia Dragoon, or...?

Hey Sorry Armor, but it is unfortunately too heavy for classic.