(Jul. 17, 2018 12:55 AM)MrBlade Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 16, 2018 11:32 PM)Ardmore Bladers Wrote: [ -> ]Common Pickles Birthday Bey Party
First- @[Beymax]
Archer Hercules Thirteen Eternal
Revive Phoenix Ten Friction
Second- @[Ardmore Bladers]
Archer Hercules Four Bump Destroy
Alter Chronos Zero Reach Bearing
Hell Samamander Five Glave Bearing
Archer Hercules (Level Chip) Seven Bump Atomic
Third- @[Ignitor1121]
Revive Phoenix Ten Friction
Archer Thirteen Eternal
Winning Valkyrie Twelve Under Bearing
What the? Someone only won with Stock Combos!?
Yep ._. I got destroyed by Revive Phoenix so many times...
(Jul. 17, 2018 2:54 AM)Valkyriology Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 17, 2018 12:55 AM)MrBlade Wrote: [ -> ]What the? Someone only won with Stock Combos!?
Yep ._. I got destroyed by Revive Phoenix so many times...
I never got to face Revive Phoenix I'm really mad about that
Can you guys post the winning combos for the beytuber brawl
Surprised nobody used aH.7.Et at Common Pickles Birthday Bey Party.
And definitely interesting to see stock rP on there ...
(Jul. 16, 2018 5:02 PM)The Supreme One Wrote: [ -> ]Oh well if it's club format that totally makes sense haha
Shame you guys couldn't get an 8th!
We did have eight, but JesseObre–the eighth person–showed up after we had already started full deck format round robin in Club Format.
(Jul. 17, 2018 8:10 PM)Paradox1 Wrote: [ -> ]Can you guys post the winning combos for the beytuber brawl
@[Sniper], we're waiting.
yeah sniper
and also can we have a report for the new york beytuber brawl?
Was surprised to win with the stock combos! Was going to switch them up a bit but didn’t seem like I needed to. The Hell Salamanders held up well to Phoenix’s and Hercules, but the stock Hercules stamina impressed me, even against other Hercules combos
RVA Summer Series #2 [Burst]
1st Place - Wombat
aH.7.Et
hS.0B.H
bL.5G.W (deck only)
wV.8V.X (deck only)
2nd Place - shu582
sX.4F.X
zA.0B.Ds
gZ.2.Nt
(Props to this kid for KOing me multiple times and being the only person I lost to in the tournament lol)
3rd Place - The Supreme One
eF.7.Br
hS.7G.Br
hS.7C.At / hS.0C.At (Deck Format Only)
aH.7.Et / aH.5.Et (Deck Format Only)
Remember HMS? Richmond Remembers!
1st Place - Wombat
Circle Upper / CWD Defense Ring / Bearing Core 2
Jiraya Blade / Circle Wide / Grip Flat Core
2nd Place - Geetster99
Jiraya Blade / Heavy / Metal Change
3rd Place - OnTheDL
Jiraya Blade / Heavy / Metal Change
Samurai Changer / CWD Defense Ring / Rubber Flat MSUV
Not really an HMS player so hopefully I got those right!
aH and hS are still dominating. XD
(Jul. 26, 2018 2:50 PM)Infinite.Zero Wrote: [ -> ]aH and hS are still dominating. XD
I see 8 layers in the winning combos. Either way, the newer layers usually dominate.
(Jul. 26, 2018 3:06 PM)RedPanda2 Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 26, 2018 2:50 PM)Infinite.Zero Wrote: [ -> ]aH and hS are still dominating. XD
Could you name them
I see 8 layers in the winning combos. Either way, the newer layers usually dominate.
(Jul. 26, 2018 3:06 PM)RedPanda2 Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 26, 2018 2:50 PM)Infinite.Zero Wrote: [ -> ]aH and hS are still dominating. XD
I see 8 layers in the winning combos. Either way, the newer layers usually dominate.
Most used layers.
The meta definitely revolves around hS and aH right now, with some rP sprinkled in. At the same time, there's also an opportunity for attack types, as Shu582 was able to make it through the tournament using primarily sX Xtreme (they just tend to be less reliable, hence why most competitive players don't use them as often).
(Jul. 26, 2018 3:46 PM)The Supreme One Wrote: [ -> ]The meta definitely revolves around hS and aH right now, with some rP sprinkled in. At the same time, there's also an opportunity for attack types, as Shu582 was able to make it through the tournament using primarily sX Xtreme (they just tend to be less reliable, hence why most competitive players don't use them as often).
no one is doubting hS and aH are alpha beys right now.
but still 8 layers in the winning combos is just that. that’s pretty great diversity, and imo stymies the few calls for banning hS (usually from the non tournment participant hasbro-only folks).
(Jul. 26, 2018 4:21 PM)RedPanda2 Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 26, 2018 3:46 PM)The Supreme One Wrote: [ -> ]The meta definitely revolves around hS and aH right now, with some rP sprinkled in. At the same time, there's also an opportunity for attack types, as Shu582 was able to make it through the tournament using primarily sX Xtreme (they just tend to be less reliable, hence why most competitive players don't use them as often).
no one is doubting hS and aH are alpha beys right now.
but still 8 layers in the winning combos is just that. that’s pretty great diversity, and imo stymies the few calls for banning hS (usually from the non tournment participant hasbro-only folks).
I don't disagree with you there. A common assumption when it comes to the Beyblade meta is that because a layer is popular, it's overpowered.
hS and aH are undoubtedly the safest choices right now (hS being the best stamina/defense layer & aH being its most consistent counter) but in our tournament on Sunday alone, we saw a number of different hS configurations (Hold, Atomic, Bearing, etc) and a LOT more attack than expected. That being said, I think it's very safe to say that mG and Sr/S3 deserve an unban as they're already becoming highly outclassed by Z layers.
I say we weight for sr, as sr bear g as it is still to op on bearing ,mg is now outclassed .
(Jul. 26, 2018 4:53 PM)The Supreme One Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 26, 2018 4:21 PM)RedPanda2 Wrote: [ -> ]no one is doubting hS and aH are alpha beys right now.
but still 8 layers in the winning combos is just that. that’s pretty great diversity, and imo stymies the few calls for banning hS (usually from the non tournment participant hasbro-only folks).
I don't disagree with you there. A common assumption when it comes to the Beyblade meta is that because a layer is popular, it's overpowered.
hS and aH are undoubtedly the safest choices right now (hS being the best stamina/defense layer & aH being its most consistent counter) but in our tournament on Sunday alone, we saw a number of different hS configurations (Hold, Atomic, Bearing, etc) and a LOT more attack than expected. That being said, I think it's very safe to say that mG and Sr/S3 deserve an unban as they're already becoming highly outclassed by Z layers.
makes sense to me. interesting thoughts.
(Jul. 26, 2018 3:46 PM)The Supreme One Wrote: [ -> ]The meta definitely revolves around hS and aH right now, with some rP sprinkled in. At the same time, there's also an opportunity for attack types, as Shu582 was able to make it through the tournament using primarily sX Xtreme (they just tend to be less reliable, hence why most competitive players don't use them as often).
What did sX Xtreme do well against?
(Jul. 26, 2018 4:21 PM)RedPanda2 Wrote: [ -> ]but still 8 layers in the winning combos is just that. that’s pretty great diversity, and imo stymies the few calls for banning hS (usually from the non tournment participant hasbro-only folks).
Just to point it out: at Common Pickles Birthday Bey Party there was 5 Layers, and at HIGH PARK THROWDOWN 10 there was 4 (granted at this event almost no one at rP).
In my opinion, if we want to talk about which Layers are actually legitimately competitive at the highest level right now it's probably aH, hS, rP, and wV. That's pretty much it. There's of course other Layers which you can find success with (as RVA Summer Series #2 demonstrated), but you either have to be lucky in some fashion or seek out specific situations where a certain other Layer can be effective (like Bloody Longinus against some hS combinations).
(Jul. 26, 2018 4:53 PM)The Supreme One Wrote: [ -> ]That being said, I think it's very safe to say that mG and Sr/S3 deserve an unban as they're already becoming highly outclassed by Z layers.
Yeah, been considering this lately for mG and Sr at least. I don't have Spryzen Requiem so it's hard for me to gauge.
(Jul. 27, 2018 8:28 PM)Kei Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 26, 2018 3:46 PM)The Supreme One Wrote: [ -> ]The meta definitely revolves around hS and aH right now, with some rP sprinkled in. At the same time, there's also an opportunity for attack types, as Shu582 was able to make it through the tournament using primarily sX Xtreme (they just tend to be less reliable, hence why most competitive players don't use them as often).
What did sX Xtreme do well against?
I didn't watch his matches (I called & recorded instead of judging at this tournament) but in my deck match against him, he KO'd both my aH Et & hS At (weak-launched). In hindsight, I wish I'd put hS Unite in my deck instead, as I knew he was using attack types, but because I hadn't watched his matches, I didn't know what they were or how effective they'd been. Nevertheless, I was surprised that he was able to KO hS At so easily despite it being opposite spin. In RVA we also have an older crowd (almost as many regulars in their 20s as kids) and he was able to beat their meta combos as well.
Maximum Garuda gets totally walloped by Revive Phoenix and Archer Hercules, so it's completely outclassed by now. I threw a few battles into the ring with mG in its typical 7.Orbit configuration, and both rP and aH outspin mG consistently on 10.Et. mG just doesn't have the teeth to use an actually powerful driver, and there are better Stamina layers out there that can outspin it with ease.
Spriggan Requiem is where I'd dissent though. I threw Sr.7.Br in left-spin against both aH and rP on 10.Et, and only got 3 different results: aH or rP flying into a pocket, aH or rP bursting, or an incredibly long and boring to watch draw. The biggest victory was a burst on rP early in the battle that left rP sprawling in the stadium with its armor still attached, sending 10 and Eternal flying out of the stadium. I'm still not sure how that showy burst finish happened. Hell Salamander counters the left-spin Sr on the same 10.Et combination, but once again draws a whole bunch against a right-spin Sr. It's a better counter as it did succeed in pocketing Sr once, but it took about 17 tries to accomplish. Naturally I looked for a better counter, and the only thing I found was wV.10.Et, which succeeded in either drawing the match out or scoring KOs by shooting Sr straight into the pockets.
Spriggan Requiem's shape is still amazingly effective at stealing spin and has enough of an edge to maybe get a lucky burst or KO, so it can still give hell to most layers out there as long as it's spinning the right way. You'd think its lighter weight would be a downside, but it's still more than heavy enough to be powerful, drawing out right-spin Stamina and Defense types for eventual wins by burst or KO and only really being countered by stationary Winning Valkyrie combinations (to my knowledge. There may be more)
Honestly still don't think Spriggan Requiem should be allowed back in, since it's incredibly boring to watch this many long, drawn-out stamina matches before one side eventually bursts or gets KO'd.
Sr Br might do well against right spin Z beys, but it gets trashed by hS Atomic. I haven't done Sr Br vs hS Br testing, but I can imagine that it's the same sort of thing. I think it's safe to say that while Sr might still be competitive, hS is a superior choice.
(Jul. 27, 2018 11:31 PM)The Supreme One Wrote: [ -> ]Sr Br might do well against right spin Z beys, but it gets trashed by hS Atomic. I haven't done Sr Br vs hS Br testing, but I can imagine that it's the same sort of thing. I think it's safe to say that while Sr might still be competitive, hS is a superior choice.
Yes, Sr in left spin loses hard to hS, so tech in a right-spin Sr if you wanna counter that. Right spin Sr Br trashes hS At combos, left spin Sr Br trashes right spin Stamina/Defense, and only wV seems to actually be able to produce enough recoil to knock out a reverse-spinning Sr. I only have one Bearing so I can't test Bearing V Bearing, but I expect it to produce a lot of draws in opposite spin matches.
I'm basically saying that, even though it is beatable in at least one major combo, it's just not worth adding back because it's just too irritating to sit through the long matches it usually creates unless you have a specific counter to it. It's just not worth the headaches or time.
(Jul. 28, 2018 12:15 AM)MagikHorse Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 27, 2018 11:31 PM)The Supreme One Wrote: [ -> ]Sr Br might do well against right spin Z beys, but it gets trashed by hS Atomic. I haven't done Sr Br vs hS Br testing, but I can imagine that it's the same sort of thing. I think it's safe to say that while Sr might still be competitive, hS is a superior choice.
Yes, Sr in left spin loses hard to hS, so tech in a right-spin Sr if you wanna counter that. Right spin Sr Br trashes hS At combos, left spin Sr Br trashes right spin Stamina/Defense, and only wV seems to actually be able to produce enough recoil to knock out a reverse-spinning Sr. I only have one Bearing so I can't test Bearing V Bearing, but I expect it to produce a lot of draws in opposite spin matches.
I'm basically saying that, even though it is beatable in at least one major combo, it's just not worth adding back because it's just too irritating to sit through the long matches it usually creates unless you have a specific counter to it. It's just not worth the headaches or time.
Totally agree,it would make things boring
Hey first time poster but ive been lurking for a little bit now so i just want to thank you all for being a great source of everything beyblade related and being a great community.
Any way on to the question at hand, sorry if im asking this in the wrong thread but from what i could find this seems to be an appropriate place to ask.
(Jul. 27, 2018 8:28 PM)Kei Wrote: [ -> ]In my opinion, if we want to talk about which Layers are actually legitimately competitive at the highest level right now it's probably aH, hS, rP, and wV. That's pretty much it.
Ive been trying to find a breakdown of the top tier parts in the burst series. The above quote from a few posts ago has been one of the things ive been looking for and ive already gathered the with forge disks your best options appear to be 0/7/10 with 4/5 as backup. All i need to find now is the top tier frames and drivers. Any help would be greatly appreciated
Again, sorry if ive posted this in the wrong place.
Achilles' Heel - 07/28/2018
Austin, Texas, USA - Burst Format
1st - @[XO Shock]
Archer Hercules 13 Eternal
Hell Salamander 0Bump Atomic
2nd - TrainiacJ
(Level Chip) Archer Hercules 7 Eternal
(Level Chip) Archer Hercules 7 Atomic
3rd - @[Twin Destroyer]
Archer Hercules 0Hit Eternal
Archer Hercules had a massive presence at this tournament. Lots of new players and returning players came in with some variant of aH Eternal ready to go. I probably would have gotten first using solely aH Eternal myself too if my Eternal hadn't broken in one of the preliminary rounds, haha. The replacement I could get didn't have a tight enough spring, so I ended up loosing in that battle, and had to rely on aH Atomic for the rest of the tournament. This came back to bite me in the finals when without Eternal my aH couldn't outspin XO Shock's hS Atomic, haha.
All the reliance on Hercules at the tournament is a bit concerning though. aH's performance feels eerily similar to that of Dark Deathscyther's in it's heyday... amazing stamina, defense, and teeth all in one package... I don't think it's gotten bad enough to ban it yet, but given that (in my opinion at least) the upcoming attack layers Buster Xcalibur and Yamiterios don't look very groundbreaking, and both aH and hS shut out wV attack pretty consistently, I think a ban on aH should at least be considered.