Okay, I added both of your edits. I also wanted to ask, does anyone have anything to elaborate on why JB works well for the outlined customisation? It seems a little bare to me.
Yeah, I think it should be done whenever a new draft with an existing part draft is posted. Otherwise, they'll never get updated at all unless someone takes it upon themselves to dedicate time to them, and even then we're only relying on one opinion.
I think mentioning JB's movement in the JB section would be good?
Maybe like this:
(Sep. 26, 2011 9:51 PM)♥ Wrote: [ -> ]Bottom: Jog Ball
Weight: 0.7 grams
JB is part of the "Ball' series of Bottoms, and is most similar in shape to WB. What is unique about this Bottom is the tiny spikes on its surface. It reduces the amount of surface area touching the stadium, making it less effective for defence than WB. JB's wide shape makes for moderate movement speeds and because of this, JB has found use in one combo only, which is a Left Spin Destabilizer Combo.
Use In Destabilizer Customization
JB can be utilized in the Left Spin Destabilizer, L Drago 100 JB. L Drago is known to have great slopes for destabilizing, and L Drago 100JB is another spin-off of the top Destabilizer, MF L Drago 100WF. L Drago 100JB provides positive results against 145 Stamina Customizations and other Destabilizer combos.
Bold is what I added.
Yeah I like that.
Edit: and since for rock Orso, the only part that needs to be written is the clear wheel, do you or anyone mind me putting that straight on BeyWiki right after this one goes on?
One hour later edit:
Lookie what I found
Yo so can I just put this on BeyWiki with Heart's edits and the edits above this post?
How about this :
Quote:Name Change
Rock Escolpio was re-named Rock Scorpio by Hasbro. The word, "Escolpio" was also removed from the face for Hasbro's release, and was removed in the Beyblade Deck Attack And Defence Set.
Face: Escolpio
The Face on this Beyblade depicts Scorpio, the eighth astrological sign in the Zodiac.
Clear Wheel: Escolpio
Weight: 2.3 grams
The Escolpio Clear Wheel is of a clear brown-red colour, featuring 2 "Stingers" on opposing ends of the Clear Wheel. It is the second lightest Clear Wheel available. Due to Escolpio's small shape and slopes, using Escolpio increases contact with the Metal Wheel, and decreases contact with the Clear Wheel. This is particularly useful for increasing a Beyblade's Smash Attack and its potential to destabilize the opposing Beyblade.
Metal Wheel: Rock
Weight: 31.4 grams
Rock has six large protrusions with small, shallow gaps between each one. It also overhangs the Track much like the original Leone Metal Wheel, although to a smaller extent.
IMPORTANT: Mold Variations
Rock has 3 different Molds: 0 Cylinders (31.4 grams), 3 Cylinders (32.6 grams), and 6 Cylinders (32.7 grams). The 0 Cylinder Mold is only available from Takara Tomy products, while the 3 and 6 Cylinder Molds are available from both Takara Tomy and Hasbro products. Rock suffers from recoil, but the best way to tame this is to use a Mold with more Cylinders, as more Cylinders result in less Recoil. The 6 Cylinder Mold has the most Stamina of the three, due to the weight of the Cylinders carrying the momentum around the outside of the wheel. It is also superior to the other Molds, in terms of attack and defense.
Track: Tornado 125
Weight: 1.7 grams
T125 has four upward-facing wing protrusions spaced apart widely. The Track is designed to work in a similar way to DF145, although this effect of downward force it produces is highly negligible. The performance of this Track is similar to D125, and as a height, is generally overshadowed by CH120.
Use in Attack Customization
Although CH120 is considerably more versatile than T125, T125 can still be used to a moderate degree of effectiveness in MF Gravity Perseus T125R²F (Attack Version, Counter Mode). Metal Wheels that were released subsequently to Gravity and that do better in Attack, like VariAres and Blitz, can also fit well with T125 and other 125 Tracks, however the combination of Gravity and T125 is notable because Gravity cannot perform as well at any other height.
Bottom: Jog Ball
Weight: 0.7 grams
JB is of the "Ball' series of bottoms, and is most similar in size to WB. What is unique about this Bottom is the tiny spikes all over its round surface. These reduce the amount of surface area touching the stadium, making it less effective for Defense than WB. JB has found above-mediocre use in one combination only, which is a Left-Spin Destabilizer Combo: L Drago 100JB.
Other Versions
Rock Scorpio T125JB- Beyblade Metal Fusion
Poison Scorpio M145Q- Beyblade Metal Fusion Burning Firestrike 2 Pack- Solid Gray Clear Wheel
Counter Escolpio 145D- Beyblade Deck Attack And Defence Set- Transparent Black Clear Wheel
Killer Escolpio 100D- Random Booster Volume 6
Burn Escolpio 100RF- Random Booster Volume 6
Overall
Rock Escolpio consists of generally outclassed parts. As a result, there is little or no reason to purchase this beyblade aside from collection purposes.
A lot of the combinations/usage-related parts need updating, most of them aren't even remotely correct now.
Escolpio has poor synergy with most Smash MW's, it's decent at interrupting taller opponents, as long as it can get under them, though apparently Quetzalcoatl is a more popular choice for that.
Personally, only the Gravity combination deserves to be mentioned. L Drago 100JB ? Rock Attack customizations ?
I'd replace gravity with a newer wheel like Variares, Blitz or perhaps Flash, which seems to do well on 125-height tracks.
The other two should just go. JB isn't currently used for anything. It's a cool part but yeah, it's never been popular.
Oh, those all do well with T125 ? I know Gravity really gave it a use for the first time, and it was notable.
They do Okay. D125 is basically always preferred, though. 125 is a good height overall, it's often overshadowed by CH120 being so close, but the extra .5 generally lets you hit over BD145 more often. T125 isn't that popular, but yes, they all do decently well with it. Gravity was the first wheel to truly work "better" on 125 tracks, and is probably the only one that really excelled on them, most of those wheels (except maybe flash, but that needs more testing) do perfectly fine on it, though.
Hm, so then we could keep the Gravity combination, talk about the way it brought T125 to light, along with other 125 Tracks, but then also mention that VariAres and Blitz also do fine with it, and while they are not a perfect match with T125, they are better Attack Metal Wheels ?
Yes, that would be the right way to go about it.
In the Thermal Pisces draft topic, Raigeko13 mentioned that that Gravity combination might do better in left-spin, and that it should be specified in the article. Is that particularly true ?
EDIT : T125 section was modified.
It was originally true, but Right spin became effective when attack started needing more power. Overall, the spin direction isn't worth talking about, it's situational now.
Also, whether Gravity is better on D125/T125 than R145 was always very questionable, too. When the parts were released, MF Gravity Perseus ATK (Counter Mode) R145RF was, in my opinion, the absolute strongest combination in the game, but D125/T125 seemed to be slightly more effective against BD145 (though against 230 the opposite was generally true).
So, th!nk, I saw you mention Escolpio for Flash : is this really a confirmed new use ? At least three people agree ?
Also, the current T125 section was already published for the Thermal Pisces article. Can anybody else say anything about its inaccuracy ?
I only pointed out that it was the best cw for flash within the past few days, so I haven't had much feedback yet, especially as not that many people have escolpio.
It really is the best in terms of not interfering with metal-on-metal contact while still offering additional contact against significantly taller opponents because of how/where it sits, though.
Sorry to but in here, but hasnt the 130 height slightly overshadowed 125 heights as well? (specificaly D125 vs S130) T125 seems to only have use with wheels like Gravity, Grand and Burn; and D125 can just be used with anything
Gravity and AD145 are decent together, I wouldnt say T125 is the only one, but there are few. BD145 and R145 would be ok with Gravity as well right?
Just curious, why L-Drago 100JB? That combo sounds very....odd. It deserves mention in the JB section, followed up by saying that it is outclassed
I'm not sure how important this will be to the article, but Hasbro also released Rock Escolpio in a "Tournament Pack" as well. The pack is simply a Rock Escolpio T125 JB (still regular colors) with a black and green BeyDeck case.
I apologize if this has already been mentioned.
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(Apr. 08, 2012 8:12 PM)LeonTempestXIII Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry to but in here, but hasnt the 130 height slightly overshadowed 125 heights as well? (specificaly D125 vs S130) T125 seems to only have use with wheels like Gravity, Grand and Burn; and D125 can just be used with anything
Gravity and AD145 are decent together, I wouldnt say T125 is the only one, but there are few. BD145 and R145 would be ok with Gravity as well right?
Just curious, why L-Drago 100JB? That combo sounds very....odd. It deserves mention in the JB section, followed up by saying that it is outclassed
Honestly the difference between 125 and 130 and their gimmicked counterparts is very small. As for ldrago 100jb, it was a notable combo.
I feel bad for JB, no one ever loved it and it really isn't that bad a tip.
True. It does seem as if 130 and 125 heights are the same performance wise, except that 125 only works well with certain combos, as does 130.
I have been thinking lately, we look at parts that produce downforce effects as a way to slightly increase stamina, but what if it is more than that? I mean it is downforce, stability could be added as well correct, which also contributed to the increase of stamina indirectly, as well as the aerodynamics of the part itself.
I have also been thinking about writing a draft on mode change, spin direction and situation momments in MFB, and if we dont have another article on it already, I will include anti metas in there as well. I find that alot of stuff in MFB regarding some situational battles has been overlooked and under-examined
JB is a cool part, I was actualy thinking the same as you. I saw the old Rock Scorpio thread, no one even gave JB a chance. If propely tested at the time of its release, it could have been a tier 2 part, and maybe an anti meta later on for a period of time. Who knows now...May I ask what the logic behind LDrago 100JB is?
Both of them work about as well as each other with any given combo tbh. It's often just "whatever the first person to test it had".
The downforce gimmick idea is just that it provides more stability.
JB has decently aggressive movement and above average stamina, basically it was a lot like the WF version. At least that's what I could work out anyway. JB had better stamina than the main defense tip at that time (WB) so that probably helped things.
It just seems as if the 5 milimeter difference depends on what Metal Wheel you are using, as well as what type of bey as well. As it stands, between all of the 125 and 130 heights, only D125, T125, and S130 have use, and essentialy are all equal to eachother in performance one way or another, but are applied to different combos to achieve the same result. (I hope that makes sense)
Do you mean "WB", not "WF"? If WF was intended, either way, I get what you were saying.
I find it odd how 125 and 130 heights have found so much use lately, but poor 135 has fallen so far under the radar. I dont own 135, but it doesnt look like to me that it was tested thoroughly enough, probobly due to its rarity (only ever released with Burn Phoenix/Fireblaze)
It really doesn't make a big difference. 130 is generally slightly better against taller opponents, but both of them hit over BD145 about equally well, and that's the main factor in that height range. As I said, the main thing that decides what is popular is what the early testers had/didn't have.
WF was intended. MF LDrago 100WF was a big deal. I think it was 100 anyway, could've been 90 even, I always get confused with the track it used.
As for 135, I've been trying to get it tested for flash, I'm still getting the hang of it so I can't do much myself yet, but the one test that was done was pretty poor for some reason. I think the main thing is that it lacks any gimmick so it's not that "interesting" and it's also kinda middling. Plain 130 and 125 tracks don't get tested much either, haha. Not really relevant here though.
According to the L-Drago article, it was 100, but I am sure that 90 would work as well.
For now, I may add this to the L-Drago article, in the Attack Customization section, at the very end. We need something for JB until this article goes up anyway
Quote:Interestingly, Jog Ball (JB) could have been used with this combo instead of WF, as the tip provides similar aggresive movement and decent stamina, as well as good grip to the stadium floor that a normal plastic tip like WF cannot.
Let me know what changes I should make to this