Welcome to the new ****ty beyblade metagame, folks (lol).
Anyway, did anyon of you watch the video "skill matters"? You'll remember some defense shoot shown with an earth 145 wd, now imagine that technical skill paired with basalt. Of course it's not unbeatable, but isn't that just a "too safe" combo to play? also consider that scythe can actually be KO'd by recoil with basalt 230 cs. Not that often, but it can happen 2 times in 3 matches.
but still, even without basalt things are not that good. ultra heavyweight new parts are just giving old parts a hard time. I already faced this while discussing about a new pre-maximum series format.
Don't you just feel that takara is trying to repair the metagame by creating overpowered parts outclassing the previously overpowered part? I got quite annoyed by this, and that's the reason i just won't buy new releases without trying them before.
If anything, launching strongly will just make it easier to KO in both spins?
I realize the whole 'no-skill' combination, but it should be easy to beat.
I think its just that a lot of right-spin wheels really suck against Basalt 230CS and thats probably all you use except for Gravity, right? If you want to be Basalt 230CS you have to use left-spinning beyblades. Try out VariAres and I'll guess you won't have much problem with Basalt 230CS. I don't see why Gravity isn't just completely dominating your tournaments: At CH120 height it can probably kill 230CS without too much difficulty and still stay effective when against other attackers.
With your example of kid going into tournament with Basalt 230CS, it seems like its the other players problem because they don't know how to defeat Basalt 230CS consistently which can easily be done with practice, no? lol
why? because gravity gets literally destroyed by new attack types.
Note: NEW, heavy attack types. not lightning.
the main problem is that you're assuming YOU KNOW your opponent will use basalt 230 cs.
if i know a player uses basalt 230 cs, no problem, i'll take it down.
then, suddenly, i go to a tourney with my gravity and get destroyed by heavy, aggressive RF users
So you have apparently many things which can completely smash Gravity, but those same combinations cannot take out Basalt 230CS? Why not PM me your most prominent attack combinations. Beat Lynx should be able to decimate Basalt 230CS considering it does so to MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB/CS.
beat RF is a good combo, but didn't have a consistent win rate against a "worn-smooth" basalt. lightning did quite better. Fang too is a viable part, and gravity is not happy when facing it.
This 'worn-smooth' business clearly alters results, why not make it illegal? Its no different than a worn RF except it improves results.
hmm because not everyone likes to buy a basalt per tourney i guess. xD
Hm, what is this "worn-smooth" Basalt ? Can you post a picture ?
TBH it must be worn pretty badly since I've been using my Basalt non-stop since march and I haven't seen any form of betterment, or it deteriorating in any form either. I'll take your word for it and believe that shouldn't be allowed if it actually does affect performance in any shape or form. Perhaps sending me results would be good. I still sort of believe we should have a thread here to do these little kinds of tests and all. Meh. I guess you just start a new thread in the customization forum, huh, Yami?
did you use it against aggressive rf players? especially against another basalt,beat or destroy?
anyway, a pic is not that useful, cause you can't really notice the difference except by touching basalt.
anyway, let's take out the worn fact and let's focus on something more important, you do not know what you're up to face in each match, so yeah. plus skilled basalt players will not just shoot at the center of the stadium and wait.
I already said what i think people should do for game balancing
Added:- Metal Face Gravity Perseus 90/100/CH120/D125 RF/R2F/LRF
- Basalt Bull 230/TH170/AD145/DF145/145/85 WD/SD/D/EDS
- Scythe Kronos 230/TH170/AD145/DF145/145/100 WD/SD/D/EDS
- Added EDS to Hell Bull/Kerbecs BD145 (Boost Mode) WD/SD/D
- Added TH170 to the list of Defense Tracks for all customs.
Removed:- Metal Face Vulcan Horuseus 85/90/100/CH120 RF/R2F
- Virgo 230/AD145/DF145/145/85 WD/SD/D
- Burn Bull 230/AD145/DF145/145/85 WD/SD/D/EDS
- Earth Bull 230/AD145/DF145/145/85 WD/SD/D/EDS
A few more changes are needed, but this is a good start.
(Aug. 11, 2011 9:54 PM)Yamislayer Wrote: [ -> ]did you use it against aggressive rf players? especially against another basalt,beat or destroy?
anyway, a pic is not that useful, cause you can't really notice the difference except by touching basalt.
anyway, let's take out the worn fact and let's focus on something more important, you do not know what you're up to face in each match, so yeah. plus skilled basalt players will not just shoot at the center of the stadium and wait.
I already said what i think people should do for game balancing
So there is no visible difference on your Basalt Wheel? It isn't like how I've described mine?:
(Aug. 04, 2011 8:40 PM)Kei Wrote: [ -> ]I've noticed this myself, however my Basalt Wheel not "smooth" as you describe. After taking such a constant beating, my Basalt Wheel has become "worn"; the surface is no longer as smooth as it was when brand new. I've been wondering if the performance (both Defense and Stamina-wise) now differs from a brand new one.
I think you'd add BD145 on Gravity Perseus,Fang Leone C145 RF and LDD CH120 RF!
In September i'll add some vids.
I think Gravity with a BD145 is effective too.
I say take out earth for defense. It's nowhere near basalt, and libra is definitely a smarter choice. Earth'll get you nowhere.
I think GB145 should be taken off of defense too. It's too easy to beat in comparison to BD145 or TH170
Yeah, I think BD145 should be added to gravity, I also think D125 should be replaced with R145, or even just add R145. Otherwise the only choices at 145 are BD145 and CH120. R145 would help against lower opponents. It also adds weight.
About basalt the way it is in stamina; without CS, is it really any good with the bottoms there? Can it take out Hell kerbecs BD145WD/CS or Scythe Kronos BD145EDS?
I still don't think Gravity and BD145 harmonize well at all for attack.. :V
Unless you have some serious tests for all of those customizations, bringing it up would be completely pointless.
(Aug. 12, 2011 11:39 PM)Dan Wrote: [ -> ]I still don't think Gravity and BD145 harmonize well at all for attack.. :V
Unless you have some serious tests for all of those customizations, bringing it up would be completely pointless.
It's not solely about Attack. I wouldn't even classify Gravity BD145 as a traditional Attack type myself. I've mentioned this a lot of times, but Gravity's dual-spin capabilities mean that it is a huge weapon against any weak launching or spin-stealers you might encounter. BD145 means that it can keep up with a lot of other BD145 customisations.
Wait ... I've just realised, is this because there are no non-rubber Bottoms with Gravity in the OP, haha? I initially meant Gravity BD145CS/MF when I suggested to add BD145, haha.
CS variant is not what I addressed at all, it indeed deserves a spot here. I was referring to the RF variant.
I assume the MF variant wouldn't be so bad, actually, but just Gravity BD145 on RF just doesn't feel right to me..
Edit: I'm up for MF/-H Gravity Perseus BD145CS as balance? lol. How do we address its different Clear Wheels? I'm sure quite a few people will complain Attack isn't listed, and that Stamina could be considered top-tier as long as we don't specify.
Where BD145 is beneficial on gravity is against 230 defense. It adds weight, so there's less recoil, and a little more force behind it, because when gravity perseus goes aginst 230, the clear wheel makes lots of contact.
Well, that's where I've found it useful.
Well that is the obvious part, I mean I only thought of using BD145 on attack for 230.
lol BD145 is what keeps 230 in check IMO.
Again: I'm talking about MF Gravity Perseus BD145RF here.
Lets just get some results up and thats it. I don't know much about the MF variant but I do know it is in use.
Edit: I'll just ask again; can we make a 'Competitive Metal Fight Beyblade Combos Testing Thread' here? Just to throw on some simple tests to back up certain opinions? I've been complaining about this since Hell Kerbecs BD145WD.
(Aug. 12, 2011 11:57 PM)Dan Wrote: [ -> ]Edit: I'm up for MF/-H Gravity Perseus BD145CS as balance? lol.
yeah, I think this should be tested.
Edit: oh, woah it was, sorry.
Edit: I was talking about RF before too
I suppose. But I don't see a reason why that couldn't go in Customisations, to be honest.
Yeah, I wasn't talking about Gravity Perseus BD145RF. I was actually thinking of CS/MF, and tests already exist for both.
Well that way we have a thread to throw in some small tests here and there instead of make a bunch of threads for one discussion here. (I know a lot of combinations we discuss here are already tested but I have encountered in the past "How does ____________ fare against ___________" and that thread would be a place to quickly slap some tests onto.)
I mean the thread, could go in Customisations.
Oh, haha, then I fear it shall be under fire by the likes of this:
Quote:u must use a stamina type and meteo will arsorb some energy
Honestly it would probably be SPAM'd to hell and the Advanced forum is the only safe-haven to combat such posts.
whatevz
When we created this Advanced Forum, because it was unclear to us how it would totally differ from the forums we already had, we made it clear that at least all tests should continue always being posted in the Beyblade Customizations forum. If we start posting test results here, then there really will not be much distinction.