Sep. 02, 2008 11:46 AM
(Sep. 02, 2008 10:47 AM)Synesthesia Wrote: [ -> ](Sep. 02, 2008 8:12 AM)Gekiryu Wrote: [ -> ]*Currently lawling at the fact i'm playing a children's card game on my DS and beating everyone with such a simple deck XD*
Going by that little reference, you're playing Yu-Gi-Oh, which really isn't hard to win at.
On the game it's not, but in reality it is, with people playing broken cards it is anyway (Judgment Dragon) I consider it broken, it's like a lesser version of Chaos Emperor Dragon, which is banned so I don't get why judgement is not.
Ah well, thems the breaks, I'm uber pissed with UDE for banning my favourite card.
If you know anything about Yugioh, you'd probably know why I said simple if I said "Gravekeepers", since that's what I was using XD
Random thought: Hellboy 2 is amusing XD
(Sep. 02, 2008 11:46 AM)Gekiryu Wrote: [ -> ]On the game it's not, but in reality it is, with people playing broken cards it is anyway (Judgment Dragon) I consider it broken, it's like a lesser version of Chaos Emperor Dragon, which is banned so I don't get why judgement is not.Chaos Emperor Dragon is the most powerful card in the game. There isn't anything better. It's the end-all-be-all of cards. Back when I actually played competitively, decks revolving around CED were the only ones that won on a consistent basis. That's why it is banned, and Judgment Dragon isn't.
Ah well, thems the breaks, I'm uber pissed with UDE for banning my favourite card.
If you know anything about Yugioh, you'd probably know why I said simple if I said "Gravekeepers", since that's what I was using XD
Judgment Dragon really isn't broken. In fact, it requires a whole deck to be focused around it. You can't just splash it, and expect to win. It requires quite a bit a strategy to use effectively, and even then it's still not easy to do. Lightsworns haven't been doing too well competitively.
Gladiater Beasts on the other hand, have been dominating everything for months. Reason being is because they can gain huge amounts of card advantage with Gyzarus, very fast, then almost immediately lock the field down afterwards with Heraklinos. Even if they don't lock the field down, you're still probably going to lose after Gyzarus makes an appearance. What's worse, is the new ban/restricted was just released, and Gladiator Beasts weren't even touched by it, despite consistently dominating organized play.
On that note, Yu-Gi-Oh is way too expensive. I'm considering selling a few cards I have laying around to pay off my MOJ bill when it comes around.
(Sep. 02, 2008 1:05 PM)Synesthesia Wrote: [ -> ](Sep. 02, 2008 11:46 AM)Gekiryu Wrote: [ -> ]On the game it's not, but in reality it is, with people playing broken cards it is anyway (Judgment Dragon) I consider it broken, it's like a lesser version of Chaos Emperor Dragon, which is banned so I don't get why judgement is not.Chaos Emperor Dragon is the most powerful card in the game. There isn't anything better.
Ah well, thems the breaks, I'm uber pissed with UDE for banning my favourite card.
If you know anything about Yugioh, you'd probably know why I said simple if I said "Gravekeepers", since that's what I was using XD
Yata-garasu
(Sep. 02, 2008 1:17 PM)Ominous Wrote: [ -> ]Yata-garasu
Yata-Garasu was used because it had incredible synergy with CED, but out side of Chaos Control decks, it wasn't really utilized. Not saying that it isn't incredibly broken, but it isn't nearly as splashable.
(Sep. 02, 2008 1:05 PM)Synesthesia Wrote: [ -> ]If you have cards like Honest, Dark Lord Zerato and stuff like that, you'd make a fair bit on ebay. I've had to start using Zerato since they banned DMoC and my old deck used to revolve around removal and brining everything back to the field in a swarm (Yay for hilarious DMoC and DDR combos)(Sep. 02, 2008 11:46 AM)Gekiryu Wrote: [ -> ]On the game it's not, but in reality it is, with people playing broken cards it is anyway (Judgment Dragon) I consider it broken, it's like a lesser version of Chaos Emperor Dragon, which is banned so I don't get why judgement is not.Chaos Emperor Dragon is the most powerful card in the game. There isn't anything better. It's the end-all-be-all of cards. Back when I actually played competitively, decks revolving around CED were the only ones that won on a consistent basis. That's why it is banned, and Judgment Dragon isn't.
Ah well, thems the breaks, I'm uber pissed with UDE for banning my favourite card.
If you know anything about Yugioh, you'd probably know why I said simple if I said "Gravekeepers", since that's what I was using XD
Judgment Dragon really isn't broken. In fact, it requires a whole deck to be focused around it. You can't just splash it, and expect to win. It requires quite a bit a strategy to use effectively, and even then it's still not easy to do. Lightsworns haven't been doing too well competitively.
Gladiater Beasts on the other hand, have been dominating everything for months. Reason being is because they can gain huge amounts of card advantage with Gyzarus, very fast, then almost immediately lock the field down afterwards with Heraklinos. Even if they don't lock the field down, you're still probably going to lose after Gyzarus makes an appearance. What's worse, is the new ban/restricted was just released, and Gladiator Beasts weren't even touched by it, despite consistently dominating organized play.
On that note, Yu-Gi-Oh is way too expensive. I'm considering selling a few cards I have laying around to pay off my MOJ bill when it comes around.
I know you need a lightsworn deck, I just find the effect a bit excessive in our metagame.
I'm majorely pissed about UDE doing nothing about Gladiator beasts, if they had restricted Test tiger and gyzarus and probably banned Darius, then that would've been awesome.
I am glad JD got restricted to two. the things an opponent has going for them now is that Lightsworns have a higher chance of milling it to the graveyard.
I did say Chaos was stronger. Because you used to be able to make Deck lockdown with Yata Garasu and witch of the black forest/sangan.
I personally found Magical Scientist and Catpult turtle way funnier.
*finds broken decks hilarious*
My personal favourite of broken decks was butterfly dagger elma/Gearfried the iron knight/royal magical library/spell absorbtion/fire princess.
I'm also miffed that the Japanese get Il Blud in their zombie World structure whereas we get red eyes zombie dragon
.Though i'm happy we have synchros, some of their effects can be game changing, I opened Red Dragon Archfiend at a sneak peak, It's a fantastic synchro, though Goyo Guardian outtrumps it on effects.
I think the problem our meta-game has is that our banlists follow the Japanese, which it shouldn't go that way because Crush card, JD, Il blud, Gold sarcophagus etc are all common as muck to them, yet we have to pay hundreds.
(Sep. 02, 2008 1:17 PM)Ominous Wrote: [ -> ](Sep. 02, 2008 1:05 PM)Synesthesia Wrote: [ -> ](Sep. 02, 2008 11:46 AM)Gekiryu Wrote: [ -> ]On the game it's not, but in reality it is, with people playing broken cards it is anyway (Judgment Dragon) I consider it broken, it's like a lesser version of Chaos Emperor Dragon, which is banned so I don't get why judgement is not.Chaos Emperor Dragon is the most powerful card in the game. There isn't anything better.
Ah well, thems the breaks, I'm uber pissed with UDE for banning my favourite card.
If you know anything about Yugioh, you'd probably know why I said simple if I said "Gravekeepers", since that's what I was using XD
Yata-garasu
Yata Garasu is used in combo with Chaos emperor dragon and Witch of the black forest/Sangan:
Summon Sangan/witch, Special summon Chaos emperor dragon, Nuke the field and both yours and opponents hands and do a nice amount of damage to your opponent, Sangan/witch gets sent to the graveyard and their effect to summon a monster with 1500 or less atk activates, you bring out Yata Garasu, attack with Chaos, and Poke your opponent with Yata Garasu for 200, Oh wait, they have no cards in hand because Chaos nuked them and because of Yata Garasu, they skip their next draw phase. Game over.
It's a pity, not even Divine Wrath can stop Chaos' effect because it activates as soon as it hits the field, it's not optional.
That's how it pretty much worked.
I have a Darklord Zerato, and a few Allures, but I don't have any of the latest cards. I really haven't been keeping up with the game. Unfortunately, I don't have some of core cards like, Dark Armed Dragon and Destiny Draw. I probably never will either, their price is too ridiculous. $65 for one Destiny Draw, and $140 for one Dark Armed Dragon.
I just think Lightsworns are outclassed by Gladiator Beasts, and PC-Engine based decks currently. If the game was balanced, and Judgment Dragon still existed, then I could agree that it's definitely overpowered. As it stands, there are bigger things to worry about than Lightsworn millage.
We need an Il Blud reprint, badly.
The best Syncro we have now, is Stardust Dragon. Control decks are currently the best archetype. Stardust Dragon, can be brought out very easily, and you will have to give something up to kill it. If you don't deal with it right away, you lose the game. It's similar to Light and Darkness Dragon in the way it should be utilized, but it's far more combo orientated, and far easier to use.
Technically though, none of the syncros are bad. Since they don't count towards the main deck count, none of them can actually hurt you. It's just some are better than others, and currently, Stardust is at the top of the heap for offering some of the best game mechanics all in one package.
(Sep. 02, 2008 2:12 PM)Synesthesia Wrote: [ -> ]I have a Darklord Zerato, and a few Allures, but I don't have any of the latest cards. I really haven't been keeping up with the game. Unfortunately, I don't have some of core cards like, Dark Armed Dragon and Destiny Draw. I probably never will either, their price is too ridiculous. $65 for one Destiny Draw, and $140 for one Dark Armed Dragon.
I just think Lightsworns are outclassed by Gladiator Beasts, and PC-Engine based decks currently. If the game was balanced, and Judgment Dragon still existed, then I could agree that it's definitely overpowered. As it stands, there are bigger things to worry about than Lightsworn millage.
We need an Il Blud reprint, badly.
The best Syncro we have now, is Stardust Dragon. Control decks are currently the best archetype. Stardust Dragon, can be brought out very easily, and you will have to give something up to kill it. If you don't deal with it right away, you lose the game. It's similar to Light and Darkness Dragon in the way it should be utilized, but it's far more combo orientated, and far easier to use.
Technically though, none of the syncros are bad. Since they don't count towards the main deck count, none of them can actually hurt you. It's just some are better than others, and currently, Stardust is at the top of the heap for offering some of the best game mechanics all in one package.
I've got a bunch of stardusts (About 3 mehthinks) and I know what you mean with DAD and D-draw, the prices are ridiculous (sp?), Crush card is worse though.
If you're selling an Allure and 1 Darklord Zerato, how much would you sell them at? since I currently need one more allure and a Zerato since they've lifted allures restriction now.
on lightsworns - Yep, there are bigger things to worry about...milling your entire deck out because of how much you end up milling in a few turns.
According to someone on a forum I go on "Lightsworns don't need pot of avarice" << uhm..what? How exactly are you going to regain your deck without it? *rolls eyes* then again, the person in question has been blabbing out of his arse about the game since he won the summer cup qualifier here a few weeks ago with judgment dragon.
i'm hoping we're not going too off-topic here with this XD
I still need to purchase a few Stardust. I'll probably buy a few off ebay.
Not sure if I'm selling anything yet, and I'm not sure on current prices, but if I decide to sell the allures, and Zerato, I'll let you know.
I really don't know much about Lightsworns to be honest, since I've never really experimented with them. Pot of Avarice seems like an amazing pick for Lightsworns, since it should be a live card by turn 3. I never see it not being useful in Lightsworns. Pot gives them the ability to not lose by deckout, and gain card advantage at the sametime. I see no reason, other than lack of space, to not run it.
I don't know about off-topic, but it's certainly too much content for a random thread. With that said, this will be my last post on the subject.
Off-topic in an off-topic thread? Hmmmm....
Gekiryu: CED's effect is optional. You need to confirm an opponent's willingness to activate its effect in order to merit chaining something or not.
And the way YGO decks are structured back then is almost no different than how it is today, really - which is why the game irks me. The idea is that you put amazing cards (re: cards that can be played right away and don't require waiting) together with no real theme and build a deck out of it.
Despite the many themes that the designers try to push (most of which end up as weak in competitive play), the game will just be a series of cookie-cutter decks until they stop making cards that work in any deck and focus on making all cards synergy-based. All serious players of this game care about is how individual cards will benefit their hand advantage without having to rely on other cards, rather than how it all ties together.
Bug
Ominous,
You pretty much summed it up. Yu-Gi-Oh is a game of cookie-cutter decks, and usually there's one deck every format that dominates.
(Sep. 02, 2008 4:23 PM)Ominous Wrote: [ -> ]Off-topic in an off-topic thread? Hmmmm....
Gekiryu: CED's effect is optional. You need to confirm an opponent's willingness to activate its effect in order to merit chaining something or not.
And the way YGO decks are structured back then is almost no different than how it is today, really - which is why the game irks me. The idea is that you put amazing cards (re: cards that can be played right away and don't require waiting) together with no real theme and build a deck out of it.
Despite the many themes that the designers try to push (most of which end up as weak in competitive play), the game will just be a series of cookie-cutter decks until they stop making cards that work in any deck and focus on making all cards synergy-based. All serious players of this game care about is how individual cards will benefit their hand advantage without having to rely on other cards, rather than how it all ties together.
Bug
Thing is, you cannot use Divine Wrath, phoenix wing wind blast etc (If i'm remembering the correct ruling here) on it since it's an ignition effect and is on Chain link 1, so it gets priority over DW, PWWB and stuff like that. So they get destroyed, and who in their right mind wouldn't nuke the board after summoning it knowing wrath can't stop you.
The old deck I used to use Was DMoC Removal, involving things like armageddon knight, D.D.R, Sangan, DMoC, Caius, Jinzo, Morphing jar etc.
But DMoC has been banned and I've had to take the thing apart, pretty much made a dark synchro deck now involving the synchros: Magical Android, Stardust Dragon, Red Dragon Archfiend.
Divine Wrath is a counter trap last time I check, so it's spell speed 3. Meaning that if you choose to activate CEDs effect, they can negate the effect, and destroy CED because CEDs effect is only Spell Speed 1. Counter Traps have the highest spell speed, and always have priority. If you declare that you wish to use CEDs effect, your opponent immediately has priority, and the ability to activate a counter trap.
Personally, I'd run Solemn Judgment over Divine Wrath, and stop the summoning altogether.
You can use PwwB on CED, but that'd be the stupid move ever. What would happen is this: CED Chain Link1, PwwB Chain link 2. Since chains revolve backwards, CED would be sent back to the top of your opponents deck, and then CEDs effect would resolve. It's one of the stupidest moves you can make.
(Sep. 02, 2008 5:25 PM)Synesthesia Wrote: [ -> ]You can use PwwB on CED, but that'd be the stupid move ever. What would happen is this: CED Chain Link1, PwwB Chain link 2. Since chains revolve backwards, CED would be sent back to the top of your opponents deck, and then CEDs effect would resolve. It's one of the stupidest moves you can make.
(last post I'll make on this)
This is why you need to verify with your opponent if they are going to use an effect or not before you choose to do anything else. If they say, "no" then bounce away to their discontent without dealing with any repercussions. Though most likely people like to use CED's effect ASAP.
Edit: I thought I would also add that any card game that has a list of cards you cannot use that were already created (especially as many as YGO), is one that needs work. This doesn't count games that have "seasons."
