World Beyblade Organization by Fighting Spirits Inc.

(Feb. 02, 2010  2:57 AM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously, I have seen people complain as soon as they were outside of this site that we were too strict with the rules. Seeing as I have indeed noticed a certain decrease in activity at some point, I just wonder whether that might not be one of the causes.

If you think this site is too strict, lift those restrictions. Then watch as it descends into complete garbage. You cannot let the opinions of a few people change the way a forum is run; the larger the member base, the more strict you have to be. If anything, this board has become way too lax with its rules now. Strict is not unfair; it is not unforgiving; it is pushing things in the right direction.

(Feb. 02, 2010  2:59 AM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ]If you think this site is too strict, lift those restrictions. Then watch as it descends into complete garbage. You cannot let the opinions of a few people change the way a forum is run; the larger the member base, the more strict you have to be. If anything, this board has become way too lax with its rules now. Strict is not unfair; it is not unforgiving; it is pushing things in the right direction.

I know that, and I think we already quite strict; a lot of members do not appear to see it this way though, which might discourage them from coming. However I know it would be ridiculous to become severely less strict.

(Feb. 02, 2010  3:02 AM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ]I know that, and I think we already quite strict; a lot of members do not appear to see it this way though, which might discourage them from coming. However I know it would be ridiculous to become severely less strict.

As I said, there is always going to be a few people who hate it. There's nothing you can do about it. This is supposed to be a place to learn about Beyblade, but the more junk that gets posted, the more junk has to be pushed through, and the harder it becomes to learn anything. It's a disservice to the members who really want to learn and talk to let stuff like that continue. I don't think it's strict to delete a post and PM a user to say, "this isn't appropriate, here's why, it's OK though, just don't do it again."

(Feb. 02, 2010  3:04 AM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ]It's a disservice to the members who really want to learn and talk to let stuff like that continue. I don't think it's strict to delete a post and PM a user to say, "this isn't appropriate, here's why, it's OK though, just don't do it again."

Exactly. They aren't exactly equivalent, but take a look at any message board for other organized, competitive games, I'll use the TCGplayer.com forums as an example, and you'll see that the board is quite literally dedicated to informing and teaching other players about whatever game it is they're interested in. They're very tightly moderated and kept very clutter free so that, as Brad said, their users can very easily find the information and techniques/discussion that they want.

As I recall, this site was created and intended to focus solely on the competitive aspect of Beyblade. I'm pretty sure we all agreed on that ages ago when I was still on staff. Unfortunately that focus seems to have been all but lost in the past few months.

People come here, or they used to anyhow, because it was an ORGANIZED yet COMPETITIVE learning environment for the game of Beyblade. They came here to learn more about the theory and strategy behind the game, to better their skills and to find other people to compete and discuss their hobby with, hence the introduction of the (now extinct) BeyPoints system.

I don't really know what you guys are cooking up behind the scenes, but whatever it is I hope it's a return to this sort of direction.

(Feb. 02, 2010  3:04 AM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ]As I said, there is always going to be a few people who hate it. There's nothing you can do about it. This is supposed to be a place to learn about Beyblade, but the more junk that gets posted, the more junk has to be pushed through, and the harder it becomes to learn anything. It's a disservice to the members who really want to learn and talk to let stuff like that continue. I don't think it's strict to delete a post and PM a user to say, "this isn't appropriate, here's why, it's OK though, just don't do it again."

To be honest I probably forget the "it's OK though, just don't do it again" part often ...


I think too many people on the Committee are too busy for things to move forward quickly, and I do want to know what they think on certain matters. In my opinion we need more unity, but it seems it is quite difficult to get.


We do hope and think that the projects we have will help a lot. I keep thinking almost everyday about things that could possibly be done on this site.

Kai-V: More committee members = more hassle to pass things.

I honestly think you guys need to slim your ranks quite a bit. As Brad said earlier, there's no real leadership on the committee and that's a problem, particularly since there are way too many people on the committee in the first place! Not to mention a lot of them aren't even active anymore, and those that are don't seem to be contributing much to the community.

why is guardian pinion still on the committee anyway?

i think the board needs a change in style; originally it was all committee, no mods, but i think the committee needs to be slimmed down to like 3 or 4 people and get more moderators to do the basic tasks

Ok this is random but

How does this guy never appear on the Online users List. I never see him on that list. Does he like post and log off or something?

(Feb. 02, 2010  3:34 AM)Zeox Wrote: [ -> ]Ok this is random but

How does this guy never appear on the Online users List. I never see him on that list. Does he like post and log off or something?

Invisible mode.

PS: "This guy?" Do you know who I am LOL

i wondered about that too lol

oh yeah and things were more active and strong before brad left. hes made nearly 30,000 posts which i think is outstanding, but he cant dedicate himself to this site! we should have commitee members who are very active and willing to dedicate

kai-V seems extremely dedicated to me even in that taking the time to use capitalization and punctuation which i forget sometimes

I agree that the News Thread has less new posts than before. There are less posts in Beyblade threads then there are in Off-topic forums.
I think the site should have a definite leader. Things were declining before brad quit and after he did, it declined even more. I suppose there is less posts about competitive beyblading because most information about competitive beyblading has already been said. Most information has already been exploited. We've pretty much squeezed beyblades to the limit.

I think that creating a larger number of moderators to do basic tasks such as checking the forum for spam and in appropriate posts, along with updating particular parts of the site would allow a core group of 3 or 4 committee members to actually start producing content and ideas that would effect the forum in a positive manor.
I completely agree with what Brad has said about PM'ing members, informing them why a post is inappropriate, and teaching them how to make appropriate posts in an encouraging way is the best way forward.
I don't even think the site needs a definite leader, we just need a committee that simply focus on the task of news and new ideas for the forum.
Another factor to consider is what moderators are actually 'active'.
A moderator that doesn't actually add anything at any regular interval isn't really a moderator, just an overly powered user.

To be honest, I'm not that active anymore either, I come on a lot but I don't post much or anything at all and this might just be because I never have money to get Beyblades and I don't have anyone to play the game with, which in turn is probably why I don't both much anymore. I don't see what I could really do for the site to help it, I think the only thing I could do is post more in the Beyblade area and give my opinion about certain things. Ever way, I agree with what Brad has said about how to go about this problem.

There is something a bit off when even I can go days without posting something during a timeframe where I haven't been banned. lol

I don't think there should be just a leader, i think we should have a comittee that are active and help this website to become it's full potential also if we have a comittee this website would become more democratic. If we have one person in charge of everything everything that we vote for or whatever in the end would all come down to his/her decision.
Not trying to be mean to the mods or whatever.

(Feb. 02, 2010  10:12 AM)trik Wrote: [ -> ]I suppose there is less posts about competitive beyblading because most information about competitive beyblading has already been said. Most information has already been exploited. We've pretty much squeezed beyblades to the limit.

I agree with this essiaclly with MFB there isnt realy heaps of diffrent part within it atm and its probley hard for the mods to look through all the post to cheak to make sure the rules have been followed.

IMO the mods have been doing a great job its just that members are probley losing alot of intrest in beyblades due to the horrible realses with alot of reusing of parts which is something the mods have no control over.

My life has become better when I started being optimistic and happy.

Another Rock in Rock Escolpio, but JB shows potential. It would be better if it had another Metal Wheel of course, but JB makes it a 'not-completely-useless' Beyblade.

Another Rock in Rock Giraffe, but it has a rubber Track which definitely has to be good for some type of Beyblade.

I think we can be realistic but positive at the same time.


Otherwise, we have already started taking your suggestions into consideration.

(Feb. 02, 2010  2:28 PM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ]My life has become better when I started being optimistic and happy.

I was wondering what had changed in you!!

Nobody's trying to be mean, for sure. Even though I am working on Battle Strikers, I still want this community to thrive! More spinning top fans is better for everyone! LOL

That's true, Brad do you know if Battle strikers will be advertising at the expo in may.

(Feb. 02, 2010  2:59 PM)cutewolfsam Wrote: [ -> ]That's true, Brad do you know if Battle strikers will be advertising at the expo in may.

I don't think so, but it isn't a bad idea ...!

Ok because i thought since there out in the UK already it would be at the expo.

(Feb. 02, 2010  3:13 AM)Roan Wrote: [ -> ]As I recall, this site was created and intended to focus solely on the competitive aspect of Beyblade. I'm pretty sure we all agreed on that ages ago when I was still on staff. Unfortunately that focus seems to have been all but lost in the past few months.

People come here, or they used to anyhow, because it was an ORGANIZED yet COMPETITIVE learning environment for the game of Beyblade. They came here to learn more about the theory and strategy behind the game, to better their skills and to find other people to compete and discuss their hobby with, hence the introduction of the (now extinct) BeyPoints system.

I don't really know what you guys are cooking up behind the scenes, but whatever it is I hope it's a return to this sort of direction.

Mainly because Beyblade is currently at one of it's most uncompetitive and boring phases IMO.

(Feb. 02, 2010  12:55 PM)Zander Soulwind Wrote: [ -> ]To be honest, I'm not that active anymore either, I come on a lot but I don't post much or anything at all and this might just be because I never have money to get Beyblades and I don't have anyone to play the game with, which in turn is probably why I don't both much anymore. I don't see what I could really do for the site to help it, I think the only thing I could do is post more in the Beyblade area and give my opinion about certain things. Ever way, I agree with what Brad has said about how to go about this problem.

Pretty much exactly how I feel. Bey's cost to much for me right now to keep up with what little meta we do have. Hell, I've only got one RF. Battle Strikers on the other hand, is really cheap. Lets all migrate to Striker Axis lol

I have definitely noticed the decline in online users lately. There once was a time when 10 members + were online pretty much always. The first thing I would do when I got home from school would be to log on and do me some forumin' Now, like Roan said, I almost have to force myself to come online. I admit, I don't have the compulsive interest that I once had towards beyblade anymore, but I still do have interest. I think most members lost interest at about the same time as me
I actually blame MFB for the sudden loss of interest; MFB doesn't hold the same nostalgia that HMS and Plastics did. Even though Beywiki was a small community, it made people more determined to keep posting and caused their interest to become even stronger because of the great people they met.

I don't know about anyone else, but the faces around here aren't familiar anymore. With all the new members joining its hard to keep track of who's who. I think the best way to describe the forums is 'Cold'?

Anyway, I think the Committee are doing a pretty good job, although things need to become more decisive. The power the Brad once held isn't established over the community anymore, and I don't want things to get out of hand once the sudden flood of members comes. So, I think a 'leader' should be chosen to get this power back. When I say 'power' I do not mean what the Committee are able to do, but how the other members regard them. Right now its kind of mixed up.

I don't think the Committee should become less strict – In fact, I think they should become even stricter tbh. When I joined this Board I literally didn't know what a forum was. I made the most stupid topics, couldn't spell (still can't ), had no idea what was acceptable on a forum etc. But, with the Committee's tough, but well intentioned guidance, I gradually became a better member that was actually capable of adding something good to a topic. When Fall/Autumn comes many young and in experienced fans will join this Board; they will need the same guidance as I once did. So there is no point in taking that away from them. If people don't like these strict rules then they can join www.beyblade.com 's forums where they can post whatever rubbish they like. Why should the WBO cater for people's preferences? I think the thing I like most about this board is that its a community of mature fans that can have a proper discussion! I would hate that to change.

I think BMF will bring back interest to me and the rest of the old members (if I can call myself an old member, I only joined in 2008, but that's longer than most). I just hope we're still around in the future ...

(Feb. 02, 2010  2:52 AM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ]I think a big issue with the way things are run right now is that nobody is making the final say on anything. As far as I can tell the website does not have a clear "leader", so it's simply a lot of bouncing ideas off each other but nobody ever gives the final say to go ahead ...

This is very true. And the main reason of the whole thing. Kai v, and Hiro ayami, both might be great leaders imo.

(Feb. 02, 2010  6:05 PM)Neeek Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know about anyone else, but the faces around here aren't familiar anymore. With all the new members joining its hard to keep track of who's who.

This!! I remember i mentioned that before, one day.

(Feb. 02, 2010  6:05 PM)Neeek Wrote: [ -> ]When I joined this Board I literally didn't know what a forum was. I made the most stupid topics, couldn't spell (still can't ), had no idea what was acceptable on a forum etc. But, with the Committee's tough, but well intentioned guidance, I gradually became a better member

This, also.

But, warnings should be expire-able imo.

Edit: Sorry for the double-post. I thought the system's gonna merge them automatically.