it seems that weight is a big factor here. normally, a attack bey with F tips tend to
self ko, but with the addition of a metal face...there may be less erratic movement and a decrease in spin time, but power remains about the same and it provides great control, from what I have seen.
I'll possibly get this today , along with some other beys ( Remember Possibly ) , and I'll try to post my results.
Your Lightning L Drago 105HF did better than I thought and yes it does destabilize and maybe with a MF it could do better Lightning has a LOT of kick and couldn't handle the solid wall of Earth. I tried my best to sliding shoot LL Drago, but I can't really get it to work well with HF
Let EB represent MF Earth Bull GB145WB
Let LL represent Lightning L Drago 105HF
EB O.S
Double KO
Double Spin out
EB OS
EB OS
EB KO (the back kick of Lightning sent it into a pocket)
EB OS
LL K.O. (took it out quickly double tapped it into the pocket)
EB OS
EB OS
EB OS* This was strange Lightning kicked it back and threw it against the wall and then back again against Earth and the back and forth killed the spin I almost counted it as a KO because of how it happened)
LL KO (took it out early near a pocket)
EB OS
EB OS
LL OS
EB OS
Double KO
LL KO (same as the second KO)
EB OS
EB OS
EB 13/17 76.4%
LL 4/17 23.5%
I kept the double KO's and out spins to show that it needs a metal face and it steals spin/destabilizes
A lot of the first Outspins were close and Bull was ridding on an angle and the bowl of GB hit the stadium a few times and still managed to outspin. However interestingly some of those were VERY close, but only if LL made constant contact and was stealing spin. Not bad, but not top tier by any means. It's mediocre.
I don't understand this. A good stadium should hold true to the "rock, paper, scissors" thing where attack > stamina > defense > attack. People are testing top tier attack v.s. top tier defense. Techinicly the defence should win, which it did. Just, because we see attack types not winning all the time ( in takara stadiums) doesn't mean this stadium is bad. Before, libra was dominating the metagame, so we used attack stadiums so everything was fair. Now that Libra is banned, attack types are dominating the metagame. We lost a sense of the beyblade concept. We now see attack > defense + stamina, which is not what we should be seeing. I would like to see attack v.s. pure stamina one with _s tip. If the attack can beat it easily then we have a fair stadium. I don't understand why everyone calls the attack stadium the most "fair" stadium avalible, because it is sad to say that I never saw a defense type( other than a Libra custom) win against an attack type without the wall being there to help it everytime. Even if it shows the beys "true potential" that doesn't mean it is fair. I believe we should adjust our stadiums everytime there is a record beaking change. It's okay to have a takara stadium, but the most fair one i've seen now is the balance type stadium. The only factor holding me back is the tornado ridge. So, with that being said could somebody explain to me why the attack stadium is the best mfb stadium in the world?
(Oct. 24, 2010 2:00 AM)masterofallbeys Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand this. A good stadium should hold true to the "rock, paper, scissors" thing where attack > stamina > defense > attack. People are testing top tier attack v.s. top tier defense. Techinicly the defence should win, which it did. Just, because we see attack types not winning all the time ( in takara stadiums) doesn't mean this stadium is bad. Before, libra was dominating the metagame, so we used attack stadiums so everything was fair. Now that Libra is banned, attack types are dominating the metagame. We lost a sense of the beyblade concept. We now see attack > defense + stamina, which is not what we should be seeing. I would like to see attack v.s. pure stamina one with _s tip. If the attack can beat it easily then we have a fair stadium. I don't understand why everyone calls the attack stadium the most "fair" stadium avalible, because it is sad to say that I never saw a defense type( other than a Libra custom) win against an attack type without the wall being there to help it everytime. Even if it shows the beys "true potential" that doesn't mean it is fair. I believe we should adjust our stadiums everytime there is a record beaking change. It's okay to have a takara stadium, but the most fair one i've seen now is the balance type stadium. The only factor holding me back is the tornado ridge. So, with that being said could somebody explain to me why the attack stadium is the best mfb stadium in the world?
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Pegasus-...#pid395126
The Attack Type Beystadium is not an "attack stadium", hah. It can be a Defense/Stamina/Attack/Balance Beystadium, as long as there are good parts for a certain type. At the moment, it seems there are not enough good parts for Defence.
However, you have to realise that in tournaments, Attack Types barely dominate.
However, you have to realise that in tournaments, Attack Types barely dominate. [quote]
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really what combos are used for i have not seen any combos( other than libra) that can beat attack types. Sorry if i qouted wrong i'm not quite sure how to quote just a single phrase of a post.
i am just going by takara's name for the stadiums.
Sorry , guys couldnt get it , possibly next time , hehe. * Angry mob rampages through door *
[quote='masterofallbeys' pid='395179' dateline='1287883231']
However, you have to realise that in tournaments, Attack Types barely dominate. [quote]
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really what combos are used for i have not seen any combos( other than libra) that can beat attack types. Sorry if i qouted wrong i'm not quite sure how to quote just a single phrase of a post.
i am just going by takara's name for the stadiums.
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... If you go by the names, then obviously you just never played with them. Balance Type Beystadium does not favour Balance types, but all types in general, but not as well as the Attack Type Beystadium does.
Some combinations were posted on other topics, but the atmosphere at tournaments is just quite different. Few people actually trust themselves to use only Attack types, they usually use the safest option.
i think of it this way. each stadium has its own style. The TT stadium style and Hasbro stadium style are completely different from eachother, and must be approached differently
Attacks shouldn't approach Hasbro stadiums.
Which makes it totally and uberly(haha made that word up) un balanced. Hasbro, YOU FAIL!
Hasbro doesn't fail.
Look up that topic from awhile back about how we should praise Hasbro.
You'll learn something.
were would we be wothout hasbro? superior blade molds, rareer blades have become more common, new colkr and part variant, and oh ya, the improved Beylauncher
as for the stadium, some of you guys are still biased. TT stadiums are attack based, hasbro stadiums are defense and stamina based. no stadium can be 100% perfectly balanced. read the thread thouroghly from now on
seeing as how most will disregard all the info posted here completely, I will leave the followin up to the mods: should this stadium be legalized? we finnaly have enough tests done to draw a conclusion.
its all up to you now guys. I will trust your judgement
(Oct. 24, 2010 3:35 AM)Leonwind Wrote: [ -> ]as for the stadium, some of you guys are still biased. TT stadiums are attack based, hasbro stadiums are defense and stamina based. no stadium can be 100% perfectly balanced. read the thread thouroghly from now on
...
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Pegasus-...#pid395126
Should it be legalized? No.
-Sliding shoot is null.
-Straight shoot is screwed up because of the size/angle of the ridge and the abundance of paint.
-Even stamina/defense are put on a krutch, the obviously less bearing, since the pattern of paint covers all of the sloped portion and about 80-90% of the stamina floor. Meaning they lose more spin when they're still, and even more when they move.
-The paint messes up bottoms.
(Oct. 24, 2010 3:41 AM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 24, 2010 3:35 AM)Leonwind Wrote: [ -> ]as for the stadium, some of you guys are still biased. TT stadiums are attack based, hasbro stadiums are defense and stamina based. no stadium can be 100% perfectly balanced. read the thread thouroghly from now on
... http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Pegasus-...#pid395126
i will take that as a "no" then. the polite part of me wants to say, "Whatever" but the other part of me is saying "f*** me, i cant get any legal stadiums..."
i just have 1 question-if this isnt tourney legal, can it be atleast testing legal? (shot in the dark)
Of course it's legal, since testing can be done in anything.
But the tests just won't be viable. Haha.
(Oct. 24, 2010 4:09 AM)Leonwind Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 24, 2010 3:41 AM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 24, 2010 3:35 AM)Leonwind Wrote: [ -> ]as for the stadium, some of you guys are still biased. TT stadiums are attack based, hasbro stadiums are defense and stamina based. no stadium can be 100% perfectly balanced. read the thread thouroghly from now on
... http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Pegasus-...#pid395126
i will take that as a "no" then. the polite part of me wants to say, "Whatever" but the other part of me is saying "f*** me, i cant get any legal stadiums..."
i just have 1 question-if this isnt tourney legal, can it be atleast testing legal? (shot in the dark)
Testing is for predicting Tournament-based outcomes, so I'm pretty sure it will be a no.
(Oct. 24, 2010 3:43 AM)Aikemi Wrote: [ -> ]Should it be legalized? No.
-Sliding shoot is null.
-Straight shoot is screwed up because of the size/angle of the ridge and the abundance of paint.
-Even stamina/defense are put on a krutch, the obviously less bearing, since the pattern of paint covers all of the sloped portion and about 80-90% of the stamina floor. Meaning they lose more spin when they're still, and even more when they move.
-The paint messes up bottoms.
The paint doesn't do much, just saying. People can't say much about it if they don't have it. It doesn't do anything to my stamina types, they still move, they still spin forever, and they still function. Same with Defense types. Its negligible, and can be ignored because it doesn't affect the battle that much. But a flat stadium floor is weird. Even when the paint gets on the bottoms, it comes off with ease. Just rub it off.
but after all the testing, I think its fine that it isn't "legalized". Its something to play in and thats all I ask for even if its labeled as carp. Better then a paper plate or a metal pan.
I think its safe to say that this can be closed and just used as a reference or something.
(Oct. 24, 2010 3:35 AM)Leonwind Wrote: [ -> ]superior blade molds, rareer blades have become more common, new colkr and part variant, and oh ya, the improved Beylauncher
TT stadiums are attack based,
Hah also Sonokong made rare blades more common.
Sonokong released Attack Stadiums separately too.
And TT Stadiums are used because they are
most balanced.
I did say it before in this thread but it bears repeating. I have played a lot in both and honestly the Attack stadium is better it is MUCH more evenly balanced. HOWEVER the only huge difference between the 2 is the wall to pocket/opening ratio. This has 2 making attack types almost null and void. The velocity at which MF Lightning L Drago CH120RF kicks the gold standard defence bey at the moment is ridiculous. I'd hate to see what it would do given my launch and an attack stadium.
This is the best Hasbro I've bladed in, but it's nothing compared to some of TAKARA'S old ones (I use the Takara because it wasn't merged with TOMY at the time) I'm talking the Tornado Balance and Tornado Beystadiums (the green plastic gen and the black HMS gen) Both of which I won in by far during my first tournament.
I think it'd be cool if it was legalised. Yes, it isn't totally balanced, but in what sport where the conditions can change do all variations have an equal footing?
Take tires in F1 for example. If it rains - or, depending on the type of track - the racers must change their tires to be able to race well. Making the correct choice is the difference between winning and losing - it requires strategy.
This is very reminiscent of choosing the correct blade to beat your opponent's, to me at least.
What I propose is this:
-Testing should be in the most balanced stadium (TT Attack)
-However, stadiums that aren't as balanced (LL Drago for example, but not PTW, as attack is still ok in LLDrago) could be tournament legal. This would encourage people to experiment more with different kinds of blades and add a bit of variety to the play area - I see no downside.
This will almost definitely be refuted by the WBO, but I believe this would make both the game and tournament more accessible, and add extra strategy to it.
The point is that although attack types technically rule the metagame, aside from Italy, no tournaments are won with attack types. The tournament scene is full of stamina and defence beys.
Further encouragement of low attack type win percentages towards stamina will lead to a reduction in creativity and variety to customisation.
(Oct. 24, 2010 4:17 AM)WhiteCharisma Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 24, 2010 3:43 AM)Aikemi Wrote: [ -> ]Should it be legalized? No.
-Sliding shoot is null.
-Straight shoot is screwed up because of the size/angle of the ridge and the abundance of paint.
-Even stamina/defense are put on a krutch, the obviously less bearing, since the pattern of paint covers all of the sloped portion and about 80-90% of the stamina floor. Meaning they lose more spin when they're still, and even more when they move.
-The paint messes up bottoms.
The paint doesn't do much, just saying. People can't say much about it if they don't have it. It doesn't do anything to my stamina types, they still move, they still spin forever, and they still function. Same with Defense types. Its negligible, and can be ignored because it doesn't affect the battle that much. But a flat stadium floor is weird. Even when the paint gets on the bottoms, it comes off with ease. Just rub it off.
but after all the testing, I think its fine that it isn't "legalized". Its something to play in and thats all I ask for even if its labeled as carp. Better then a paper plate or a metal pan.
I think its safe to say that this can be closed and just used as a reference or something.
The funny part is I was the first or second one on this board to have it. Same goes for Mobile Stadium. I don't think you (or LeonWind) get the impact of the paint and all the other reasons this stadium is poor, while taking all of Hasbro and Takara's past creations out of the equation.
Edit: I do agree that the thread should be closed, but as I've said before, the only way to make the stadium barely half-decent is by removing the paint.
just cause this stadium isnt legal doesnt mean its thread should be closed. its good for referejce and has alot of important information
read my posts: i hate the paint of LF with a passion. i just want this lefalized to give US bladers equal oppritunity. plus i had big plans to test some new beys...but now thats down the toilet.
Defense and Stamina seem to rule hasbro..i just saw the mobile stadium today at Target...did not get it but it is like a unbalanced dream come true for defense and stamina types types