Apr. 25, 2023 3:22 AM
Roar on Moon was suggested to me by Zankye as a possibly viable defense combo. In this thread I will go over my test results against a few of the standard attack builds with both Unite' and Keep'.
For all matchups except the Burst combo, the Roar combo was launched first. In the Burst matchup, I launched alternating which was first. All attack types were launched with a slide shoot with the tip facing toward me. Roar was launched flat and with medium to hard power. Drivers were cleaned of all dust a debris between each round.
Roar Bahamut Mn.U'-10 v Guilty Longinus S'.X'-10
Individual Round Results:
Roar: 9 wins, 7OS, 2KO
Guilty 11 wins, 7KO, 4OS
Roar win%: 45%
Roar Bahamut Mn.U'-10 v Ultimate Belial³ S'.X'-9
Individual Round Results:
Roar 7 wins, 3KO 4OS
Ulti 13 wins, 7KO 6OS
Roar win%: 35%
Roar Bahamut Mn.U'-10 v Savior Belial³ Il.X'-9
Individual Round Results:
Roar: 10 wins, 3KO, 5OS, 2Burst
Savior: 10 wins, 8KO, 2OS
Roar win%: 50%
Roar Bahamut Mn.U'-10 v Xiphoid Perseus S'.X'-4
Individual Round Results:
Roar 8 wins: 2KO, 6OS
Xiphoid 12 wins: 5KO, 7OS
Roar win%: 40%
Roar Bahamut Mn.U'-10 v Burst Spriggan² Il.Xp-0
Individual Round Results:
Roar 3 wins, 3OS
Burst 17 wins, 2KO, 15OS
Roar win%: 15%
Overall Win% for Roar Bahamut Mn.U'-10: 37%
Roar Bahamut Mn.Kp'-10 v Guilty Longinus S'.X'-10
Individual Round Results:
Roar 8 wins, 8OS
Guilty 12 wins, 9KO, 3OS
Roar win%: 40%
Roar Bahamut Mn.Kp'-10 v Savior Belial³ Il.X'-9
Individual Round Results:
Roar 9 wins, 4KO, 4OS, 1Burst
Savior 10 wins, 4 KO, 6OS
1 draw
Roar win%: 47.5%
Roar Bahamut Mn.Kp'-10 v Ultimate Belial³ S'.X'-9
Individual Round Results:
Ulti ko
Ulti ko
Roar ko
Ulti os
Ulti os
Roar os
Roar os
Roar os
Ulti ko
Ulti os
Ulti ko
Roar ko
Ulti ko
Roar os
Ulti ko
Ulti os
Ulti os
Roar ko
Ulti ko
Ulti koRoar 7 wins, 3KO, 4OS
Ulti 13 wins, 8KO, 5OS
Roar win%: 35%
Roar Bahamut Mn.Kp'-10 v Xiphoid Perseus S'.X'-4
Indvidual Round Results:
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid ko
Roar os
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid ko
Roar ko
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid KO
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid osRoar 2 wins, 1KO, 1OS
Xiphoid 18 wins 10KO, 8OS
Roar win%: 10%
Roar Bahamut Mn.Kp'-10 v Burst Spriggan² Il.Xp-0
Individual Round Results:
Burst ko
Burst os
Burst os
Burst os
Burst os
Roar os
Burst os
Burst ko
Burst os
Burst ko
Burst os
Burst os
Burst ko
Burst os
Burst os
Roar os
Burst os
Roar os
Burst os
Roar osRoar 3 wins, 3 OS
Burst 17 wins, 4KO, 13OS
Roar win%: 15%
Overall Win% of Roar Bahamut Mn.Kp'-10: 29%
Overall incredibly disappointed this didn't work. Preliminary testing a few days ago with the attack types on Variable' showed very promising results for both left and right spin. The main issue with the build seems to be that Moon just scrapes too dang much. Many of the Out Spin losses were due to Moon scraping right at the last second and causing Roar to stop dead. Both Unite' and Keep' just don't have enough LAD themselves to make up for Moon falling over. Overall KO defense is there, while not impossible to KO, still pretty hard to with only 29% of the matches on Unite' ending with Roar in the pocket, and 35% on Keep'. I want to test this on my very very worn Zeal, but I just don't have the energy to do so tonight.
Let me know your thoughts.
For all matchups except the Burst combo, the Roar combo was launched first. In the Burst matchup, I launched alternating which was first. All attack types were launched with a slide shoot with the tip facing toward me. Roar was launched flat and with medium to hard power. Drivers were cleaned of all dust a debris between each round.
Roar Bahamut Mn.U'-10 v Guilty Longinus S'.X'-10
Individual Round Results:
Spoiler (Click to View)
Roar os
Roar KO
Guilty ko
Guilty ko
Guilty ko
Guilty os
Guilty ko
Roar os
Guilty os
Roar os
Roar os
Roar os
Guilty ko
Guilty os
Roar ko
Roar OS
Guilty os
Guilty ko
Roar os
Guilty ko
Roar KO
Guilty ko
Guilty ko
Guilty ko
Guilty os
Guilty ko
Roar os
Guilty os
Roar os
Roar os
Roar os
Guilty ko
Guilty os
Roar ko
Roar OS
Guilty os
Guilty ko
Roar os
Guilty ko
Guilty 11 wins, 7KO, 4OS
Roar win%: 45%
Roar Bahamut Mn.U'-10 v Ultimate Belial³ S'.X'-9
Individual Round Results:
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Ulti ko
Ulti ko
Ulti os
Roar ko
Ulti ko
Ulti os
Ulti os
Roar ko
Ulti os
Ulti ko
Roar os
Roar os
Ulti os
Ulti ko
Roar os
Ulti ko
Ulti ko
Roar ko
Ulti os
Roar os
Ulti ko
Ulti os
Roar ko
Ulti ko
Ulti os
Ulti os
Roar ko
Ulti os
Ulti ko
Roar os
Roar os
Ulti os
Ulti ko
Roar os
Ulti ko
Ulti ko
Roar ko
Ulti os
Roar os
Ulti 13 wins, 7KO 6OS
Roar win%: 35%
Roar Bahamut Mn.U'-10 v Savior Belial³ Il.X'-9
Individual Round Results:
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Savior os
Roar ko
Savior ko
Roar burst
Roar os
Roar burst (so hard Belial came loose)
Roar os
Savior ko
Savior ko
Savior ko
Roar os
Savior ko
Savior ko
Savior ko
Savior ko
Savior os
Roar os
Roar ko
Roar os
Roar ko
Roar ko
Savior ko
Roar burst
Roar os
Roar burst (so hard Belial came loose)
Roar os
Savior ko
Savior ko
Savior ko
Roar os
Savior ko
Savior ko
Savior ko
Savior ko
Savior os
Roar os
Roar ko
Roar os
Roar ko
Savior: 10 wins, 8KO, 2OS
Roar win%: 50%
Roar Bahamut Mn.U'-10 v Xiphoid Perseus S'.X'-4
Individual Round Results:
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Roar os
Roar os
Xiphoid ko
Roar os
Roar os
Xiphoid ko
Roar ko
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid os
Roar os
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid os
Roar ko
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid os
Roar os
Roar os
Xiphoid ko
Roar os
Roar os
Xiphoid ko
Roar ko
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid os
Roar os
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid os
Roar ko
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid os
Roar os
Xiphoid 12 wins: 5KO, 7OS
Roar win%: 40%
Roar Bahamut Mn.U'-10 v Burst Spriggan² Il.Xp-0
Individual Round Results:
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Burst os
Burst ko (late)
Burst os
Burst os
Roar os
Burst os
Burst ko
Burst os
Burst os
Burst os
Burst os
Burst os
Roar os
Burst os
Burst os
Roar os
Burst os
Roar os
Burst os
Burst ko
Burst ko (late)
Burst os
Burst os
Roar os
Burst os
Burst ko
Burst os
Burst os
Burst os
Burst os
Burst os
Roar os
Burst os
Burst os
Roar os
Burst os
Roar os
Burst os
Burst ko
Burst 17 wins, 2KO, 15OS
Roar win%: 15%
Overall Win% for Roar Bahamut Mn.U'-10: 37%
Roar Bahamut Mn.Kp'-10 v Guilty Longinus S'.X'-10
Individual Round Results:
Spoiler (Click to View)
Roar os
Roar os
Guilty os
Roar os
Guilty os
Guilty ko
Guilty ko
Roar os
Guilty ko
Roar os
Guilty os
Roar os
Guilty os
Guilty ko
Guilty ko
Guilty ko
Roar os
Guilty ko
Guilty ko
Roar os
Roar os
Guilty os
Roar os
Guilty os
Guilty ko
Guilty ko
Roar os
Guilty ko
Roar os
Guilty os
Roar os
Guilty os
Guilty ko
Guilty ko
Guilty ko
Roar os
Guilty ko
Guilty ko
Roar os
Guilty 12 wins, 9KO, 3OS
Roar win%: 40%
Roar Bahamut Mn.Kp'-10 v Savior Belial³ Il.X'-9
Individual Round Results:
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Roar ko
Savior os
Savior os
Savior ko
Roar os
Double ko draw
Savior ko
Roar os
Roar ko
Roar ko
Savior ko
Savior os
Savior ko
Savior os
Savior os
Savior os
Roar os
Roar burst
Roar ko
Roar os
Savior os
Savior os
Savior ko
Roar os
Double ko draw
Savior ko
Roar os
Roar ko
Roar ko
Savior ko
Savior os
Savior ko
Savior os
Savior os
Savior os
Roar os
Roar burst
Roar ko
Roar os
Savior 10 wins, 4 KO, 6OS
1 draw
Roar win%: 47.5%
Roar Bahamut Mn.Kp'-10 v Ultimate Belial³ S'.X'-9
Individual Round Results:
Spoiler (Click to View)
Ulti ko
Ulti ko
Roar ko
Ulti os
Ulti os
Roar os
Roar os
Roar os
Ulti ko
Ulti os
Ulti ko
Roar ko
Ulti ko
Roar os
Ulti ko
Ulti os
Ulti os
Roar ko
Ulti ko
Ulti ko
Ulti 13 wins, 8KO, 5OS
Roar win%: 35%
Roar Bahamut Mn.Kp'-10 v Xiphoid Perseus S'.X'-4
Indvidual Round Results:
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Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid ko
Roar os
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid ko
Roar ko
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid KO
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid ko
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid os
Xiphoid 18 wins 10KO, 8OS
Roar win%: 10%
Roar Bahamut Mn.Kp'-10 v Burst Spriggan² Il.Xp-0
Individual Round Results:
Spoiler (Click to View)
Burst ko
Burst os
Burst os
Burst os
Burst os
Roar os
Burst os
Burst ko
Burst os
Burst ko
Burst os
Burst os
Burst ko
Burst os
Burst os
Roar os
Burst os
Roar os
Burst os
Roar os
Burst 17 wins, 4KO, 13OS
Roar win%: 15%
Overall Win% of Roar Bahamut Mn.Kp'-10: 29%
Overall incredibly disappointed this didn't work. Preliminary testing a few days ago with the attack types on Variable' showed very promising results for both left and right spin. The main issue with the build seems to be that Moon just scrapes too dang much. Many of the Out Spin losses were due to Moon scraping right at the last second and causing Roar to stop dead. Both Unite' and Keep' just don't have enough LAD themselves to make up for Moon falling over. Overall KO defense is there, while not impossible to KO, still pretty hard to with only 29% of the matches on Unite' ending with Roar in the pocket, and 35% on Keep'. I want to test this on my very very worn Zeal, but I just don't have the energy to do so tonight.
Let me know your thoughts.