So this might be a bit out of the blue, but I was thinking about when 2 bladers are in a match and they choose their mode/launchstrength/launchangle.
I have a proposal of a new rule which is pretty simple. You just inspect and/or burst your opponents bey. This allows you to acknowledge how far your opponents tip is worn down, maybe you could burst their bey and out it back together to get a feel of the burst resistance, and other things like maybe you didn’t catch twin nemesis in upper mode, or maybe their lift frame is flipped 1 way, or maybe their zeta driver is in stamina mode and you didn’t know what mode they changed it too. This does happen in a couple battles in the anime for anyone who is confused about what I had to say.
Ruleset:
Beyblade Inspection:
1) After both bladers have selected their modes and/or alignment of parts the judge will take each bladers bey and allow their opponent to inspect it for a maximum of 30 seconds. The bladers now have the opportunity to know what mode their opponent has selected, their drivers stage of wear, and any other information they want to know.
2) Intentionally bursting your opponents bey, compressing it in any way, purposely dropping it, or any other form of activity that can be seen to handicap their bey and the judge will make sure you get an automatic loss for that match.
- Timing: The Judge will be responsible for timing the 30 seconds wether it be counting, or timed on a device
- Disassembly: Bladers will not be allowed to disassemble their opponents bey
- Frames/Chips/Attachments: Removing any frame, attachment, chip, or frame from your opponents combination is not permitted
Since bey separating is a win condition in formats other than burst. Would we allow players to assemble and disassemble other players’ Beyblades in all formats? To check the likelihood of “separation.” Based on your rule proposal.
(Nov. 06, 2021 6:18 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ]Since bey separating is a win condition in formats other than burst. Would we allow players to assemble and disassemble other players’ Beyblades in all formats? To check the likelihood of “separation.” Based on your rule proposal.
I’m confused by what you mean.
(Nov. 06, 2021 6:34 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 6:18 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ]Since bey separating is a win condition in formats other than burst. Would we allow players to assemble and disassemble other players’ Beyblades in all formats? To check the likelihood of “separation.” Based on your rule proposal.
I’m confused by what you mean.
You are talking about “bursting” opponents Beyblade during inspection. Would it be the same for MFB, PLA, and HMD formats? They are formats in the WBO where “separation” scores points like bursting.
(Nov. 06, 2021 6:45 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 6:34 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]I’m confused by what you mean.
You are talking about “bursting” opponents Beyblade during inspection. Would it be the same for MFB, PLA, and HMD formats? They are formats in the WBO where “separation”
Scores points like bursting.
Well using the word “bursting” sounds confusing now that I think about it. I’ll just call it “disassembly”. But for MFB, PLA, and HMD I guess the disassembly rule wouldn’t apply because those beys don’t have burst resistance. I know nothing about beyblade other than burst, so correct me if I’m wrong.
(Nov. 06, 2021 6:46 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 6:45 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ]You are talking about “bursting” opponents Beyblade during inspection. Would it be the same for MFB, PLA, and HMD formats? They are formats in the WBO where “separation”
Scores points like bursting.
Well using the word “bursting” sounds confusing now that I think about it. I’ll just call it “disassembly”. But for MFB, PLA, and HMD I guess the disassembly rule wouldn’t apply because those beys don’t have burst resistance. I know nothing about beyblade other than burst, so correct me if I’m wrong.
Consider “separation” bursting before Beyblade Burst. Consider bey separating=bey bursting in terms of WBO rules. This is in the rulebooks. One can consider burst resistance=separation resistance
(Nov. 06, 2021 6:49 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 6:46 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]Well using the word “bursting” sounds confusing now that I think about it. I’ll just call it “disassembly”. But for MFB, PLA, and HMD I guess the disassembly rule wouldn’t apply because those beys don’t have burst resistance. I know nothing about beyblade other than burst, so correct me if I’m wrong.
Consider “separation” bursting before Beyblade Burst. Consider bey separating=bey bursting in terms of WBO rules. This is in the rulebooks. One can consider burst resistance=separation resistance
Well in that case you could feel the desperation resistance in older formats. So the dissasembly/separation phase would be applied to all formats then.
(Nov. 06, 2021 6:53 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 6:49 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ]Consider “separation” bursting before Beyblade Burst. Consider bey separating=bey bursting in terms of WBO rules. This is in the rulebooks. One can consider burst resistance=separation resistance
Well in that case you could feel the desperation resistance in older formats. So the dissasembly/separation phase would be applied to all formats then.
I see. Of course, then the next question is how much can you separate a beyblade to evaluate its performance. In plastics, would you be allowed to check if your opponent is using shielded bearing vs not? It can take a while to reach that level of disassembly. Who is responsible for reassembly and how much time is fair? When you are separating opponents beyblade would you be responsible for opponents Beyblade? Lets say you drop and lose a bearing (they are smaller than a grain of rice more or less), would you need to pay/replace for it?
(Nov. 06, 2021 7:00 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 6:53 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]Well in that case you could feel the desperation resistance in older formats. So the dissasembly/separation phase would be applied to all formats then.
I see. Of course, then the next question is how much can you separate a beyblade to evaluate its performance. In plastics, would you be allowed to check if your opponent is using shielded bearing vs not? It can take a while to reach that level of disassembly. Who is responsible for reassembly and how much time is fair? When you are separating opponents beyblade would you be responsible for opponents Beyblade? Lets say you drop and lose a bearing, would you need to pay for it?
Well in burst you can dissasemble the whole bey into its 3 parts, then put it back together. For other things than burst I don’t really know how it works. If a shield bearing takes time to reach that level, maybe just skip that part? The Blader who is inspecting it will be responsible to re-assembly of the bey after disassembling it. The judge will be in charge of the time and either just count to 30 in their head or put a timer on their phone. How everyone counts to 30 can vary so the bladers just have to deal with how fast 30 seconds is for each judge.
By bearing, do you mean the literal bearing driver, or a bearing as in a piece of a bey?
(Nov. 06, 2021 7:05 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 7:00 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ]I see. Of course, then the next question is how much can you separate a beyblade to evaluate its performance. In plastics, would you be allowed to check if your opponent is using shielded bearing vs not? It can take a while to reach that level of disassembly. Who is responsible for reassembly and how much time is fair? When you are separating opponents beyblade would you be responsible for opponents Beyblade? Lets say you drop and lose a bearing, would you need to pay for it?
Well in burst you can dissasemble the whole bey into its 3 parts, then put it back together. For other things than burst I don’t really know how it works. If a shield bearing takes time to reach that level, maybe just skip that part? The Blader who is inspecting it will be responsible to re-assembly of the bey after disassembling it. The judge will be in charge of the time and either just count to 30 in their head or put a timer on their phone. How everyone counts to 30 can vary so the bladers just have to deal with how fast 30 seconds is for each judge.
By bearing, do you mean the literal bearing driver, or a bearing as in a piece of a bey?
Bearing as a piece of a bey.
So when you say burst beys are 3 parts, then you are not allowed to check the separation/burst resistance of a frame then? Or a chip? And etc.
This is your proposal , so I am just asking questions to see if you have already thought it through. I don’t have the all answers.
(Nov. 06, 2021 7:22 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 7:05 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]Well in burst you can dissasemble the whole bey into its 3 parts, then put it back together. For other things than burst I don’t really know how it works. If a shield bearing takes time to reach that level, maybe just skip that part? The Blader who is inspecting it will be responsible to re-assembly of the bey after disassembling it. The judge will be in charge of the time and either just count to 30 in their head or put a timer on their phone. How everyone counts to 30 can vary so the bladers just have to deal with how fast 30 seconds is for each judge.
By bearing, do you mean the literal bearing driver, or a bearing as in a piece of a bey?
Bearing as a piece of a bey.
So when you say burst beys are 3 parts, then you are not allowed to check the separation/burst resistance of a frame then? Or a chip? And etc.
This is your proposal , so I am just asking questions to see if you have already thought it through.
I know, I was just clarifying.
They would be allowed to check the burst resistance of a frame, just not allowed to take it off because the Blader might have it in a specific alignment that they want.
Yes, I’ve thought it through. And no problem with asking questions, I’m fine with it.
(Nov. 06, 2021 7:25 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 7:22 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ]Bearing as a piece of a bey.
So when you say burst beys are 3 parts, then you are not allowed to check the separation/burst resistance of a frame then? Or a chip? And etc.
This is your proposal , so I am just asking questions to see if you have already thought it through.
I know, I was just clarifying.
They would be allowed to check the burst resistance of a frame, just not allowed to take it off because the Blader might have it in a specific alignment that they want.
Yes, I’ve thought it through. And no problem with asking questions, I’m fine with it.
And the different components of the layer? Or driver chips? Such as +Z and +X or even Xtend chip.
(Nov. 06, 2021 7:28 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 7:27 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ] And the different components of the layer? Or driver chips? Such as +Z and +X
Same thing.
So you would be able to use a Xtend+ chip tool to remove it to check then?
Bc
Part Attachments (e.g. Xtend+ Chip, +X, +Z, DB Gears)
- Cannot be removed from a Beyblade for the duration of a match once it has been submitted to the judge for inspection.
- If an attachment comes off during battle, the opponent is awarded 1 point.
(Nov. 06, 2021 7:29 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 7:28 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]Same thing.
So you would be able to use a Xtend+ chip tool to remove it to check then?
Well removing it wouldn’t really be allowed, and I actually am going to restate my answer. For attachments like F-gear, +z, the Xtend+ chip, the strike god chip and others you wouldn’t be allowed to move that around, but with frames you can.
I am slowly editing the first post and adding to the rule part as more stuff comes up in case you want to check
(Nov. 06, 2021 7:31 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 7:29 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ]So you would be able to use a Xtend+ chip tool to remove it to check then?
Well removing it wouldn’t really be allowed, and I actually am going to restate my answer. For attachments like F-gear, +z, the Xtend+ chip, the strike god chip and others you wouldn’t be allowed to move that around, but with frames you can.
I am slowly editing the first post and adding to the rule part as more stuff comes up in case you want to check
I see, I think there will be quite the additions if this rule is to cover all generation.
(Nov. 06, 2021 7:34 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 7:31 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]Well removing it wouldn’t really be allowed, and I actually am going to restate my answer. For attachments like F-gear, +z, the Xtend+ chip, the strike god chip and others you wouldn’t be allowed to move that around, but with frames you can.
I am slowly editing the first post and adding to the rule part as more stuff comes up in case you want to check
I see, I think there will be quite the additions if this rule is to cover all generation.
Yeah there probably will be. As for me, I don’t know anything about things that aren’t burst so it might be best if I don’t get involved in rulings of other formats besides burst just to avoid confusion.
(Nov. 06, 2021 7:35 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 7:34 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ]I see, I think there will be quite the additions if this rule is to cover all generation.
Yeah there probably will be. As for me, I don’t know anything about things that aren’t burst so it might be best if I don’t get involved in rulings of other formats besides burst just to avoid confusion.
Then who is going to take care of the other formats? And is the proposal consider incomplete until the other formats are dealt with?
(Nov. 06, 2021 7:36 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 7:35 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah there probably will be. As for me, I don’t know anything about things that aren’t burst so it might be best if I don’t get involved in rulings of other formats besides burst just to avoid confusion.
Then who is going to take care of the other formats? And is the proposal consider incomplete until the other formats are dealt with?
Well I was creating this with the intention of just a burst Ruleset, then maybe we can add to other formats later on.
(Nov. 06, 2021 7:39 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 7:36 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ]Then who is going to take care of the other formats? And is the proposal consider incomplete until the other formats are dealt with?
Well I was creating this with the intention of just a burst Ruleset, then maybe we can add to other formats later on.
These inspection rules seem fundamental to how we play the game across different formats. You are saying you want to apply the rule only to burst for now right?
(Nov. 06, 2021 7:48 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 7:39 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]Well I was creating this with the intention of just a burst Ruleset, then maybe we can add to other formats later on.
This inspection rules seem fundamental to how we play the game across different formats. You are saying you want to apply the rule only to burst for now right?
Yeah, I think the rule should just apply to burst for now and then move on to different formats as time goes on. This is because when a new rule (hopefully) is accepted some problems can be noticed and the next format to inherit the rules won’t have as many problems. That’ll help make things less confusing, but also I just don’t know anything about stuff that isn’t burst. So I guess both reasons but mainly the first reason I said here.
(Nov. 06, 2021 7:54 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 7:48 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ]This inspection rules seem fundamental to how we play the game across different formats. You are saying you want to apply the rule only to burst for now right?
Yeah, I think the rule should just apply to burst for now and then move on to different formats as time goes on. This is because when a new rule (hopefully) is accepted some problems can be noticed and the next format to inherit the rules won’t have as many problems. That’ll help make things less confusing, but also I just don’t know anything about stuff that isn’t burst. So I guess both reasons but mainly the first reason I said here.
I get what you are saying but I don’t know that having different inspection rules in different format is going be less confusing. The inspection rules are in fact quite similar across formats now. I am not sure what precedent we have to be able to say this will be less confusing.
(Nov. 06, 2021 8:26 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 7:54 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I think the rule should just apply to burst for now and then move on to different formats as time goes on. This is because when a new rule (hopefully) is accepted some problems can be noticed and the next format to inherit the rules won’t have as many problems. That’ll help make things less confusing, but also I just don’t know anything about stuff that isn’t burst. So I guess both reasons but mainly the first reason I said here.
I get what you are saying but I don’t know that having different inspection rules in different format are going be less confusing. The inspection rules are in fact quite similar across formats now. I am not sure what precedent we have to be able to say this will be less confusing.
I guess. So the rules should be similiar throughout the formats, but for the bursting part it’s different for each format?
(Nov. 06, 2021 8:57 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 8:26 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ]I get what you are saying but I don’t know that having different inspection rules in different format are going be less confusing. The inspection rules are in fact quite similar across formats now. I am not sure what precedent we have to be able to say this will be less confusing.
I guess. So the rules should be similiar throughout the formats, but for the bursting part it’s different for each format?
What do you mean by different?
(Nov. 06, 2021 8:59 PM)Shindog Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 06, 2021 8:57 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]I guess. So the rules should be similiar throughout the formats, but for the bursting part it’s different for each format?
What do you mean by different?
You said in older formats separation counts as bursting and is worth points. So maybe for other formats you can feel the separation of each part? We should probably keep in mind that this is 30 seconds max, so they won’t have much time to specifically feel every single piece.