I am not sure why people so often assume their posts have been ignored just because they weren't directly replied to. Since that's what Kai-V actually thinks about the matter, I suspect her reply would have been the same whether or not you had responded!

That said, I am not sure your metaphor works. A more apt metaphor would be whether a teacher who never shows up to teach anything should keep his job or not There was never any mention of stripping people of their mentor status just because they're not into Burst.

I was just joking around about it. That's why I put the "lol" at the end. Just a joke to sort of mirror what everyone is always saying about being ignored. I probably should have chosen my words more carefully.

I'm pretty sure Thunder Dome said that Mentors who don't have Burst knowledge should be stripped of their privileges and that's what I was replying to. I was saying that mentors with knowledge of the older formats should stay mentors to teach newer members about those formats. Sort of the same thing Kai-V said.

Was suggesting that you focus on raising the interest slightly.

How? And why?

Right now, for lack of better words, it just seems as if hosting a Plastics or HMS Tournament is slightly discouraged.

Why do you think so, other than the fact that there isn't a ranking system for it?

Worth mentioning that we did a pretty big push in July but there weren't a lot of events, and while I can't speak for other communities, the tournament here in Montreal was the furthest thing from competitive: almost everyone played with cobbled together combos.

Lack of ranking system isn't the problem; I think it's just the lack of tournaments. Is there really a lack of interest from those who only have MFB? Are prices really a large issue for most people? These are questions I pose to those who don't have Plastics; (or HMS, which I know why you don't) what makes you turned off towards buying them?
Because besides a few people, and before Burst, I felt this was Moreso like the MFB Organization.
I just think a little nudge, or event campaign would be nice for these systems. They just seem a bit unloved, in terms of tournaments.
I'm asking myself right now if it's a lack of interest from the people, or the WBO. Or am I creating a problem in my head about this?

Sorry if I'm confusing you.


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Okay, this makes no sense. Summarizing this.
>I don't think there's enough tournaments being hosted for there to be any interest brewed in buying these old Beyblades.
>I think that's part of the reason why the threads are lacking posts. It isn't a mainstream thing people play anymore. I get that. That's okay.
>Suggest; maybe a campaign for a month where there could be a push for hosting old generation stuff; maybe a Rememberance Month as opposed to a day.

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I am all for Plastics and HMS tournaments, but I think you're being a bit ridiculous. We've never had a format for them, and never will. The interest will never be there, even with a "little nudge" (and even a nudge wouldn't do it. Brad clearly mentioned Plastics and HMS Remembrance Day as a "pretty big push"). It's expensive, and with asking most players to split their money on a clearly less prioritized format is absolutely crazy. I don't know if you've noticed, but almost everyone that actively plays HMS/Plastics on a competitive level has an income that allows them to do so. Most players simply do not have the money or the time to get competitive in these formats. You said it yourself : You have to know where to look and when to strike. Asking this of the average player is simply too much.

Because besides a few people, and before Burst, I felt this was moreso like the MFB Organization.

Seriously? You are starting to get selfish. We clearly have rewards for people who participate in these tournaments. Multiple Face Boosters, very expensive prizes over the years (sometimes even at the cost of the staff's own wallets), along with multitudes of other things. The WBO isn't about tournaments. Sure, that is a large aspect, but we have forums dedicated to these formats, and because of this, we are literally catering to a select group of people, not the general populous.

I'm asking myself right now if it's a lack of interest from the people, or the WBO. Or am I creating a problem in my head about this?

Obviously the people. The WBO has done, like I said above, multitudes of things to cater to a select group of people and try to reach to a broader audience, but eventually only the person themselves decides if they want to spend at least $50 - $100 just to get competitive in these formats. So I would say yes, this is a made up problem, at least in my mind.

If you think I'm biased towards Burst or MFB in anyway, I certainly am not. HMS is my favorite system by far, and the fact that I've spend over $1000 on HMS alone attests to this. I'm just being realistic, that's all.

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4/29/12: The Spring Sortie (BB-10)
7/22/12: The Triple Threat (MFB+Plastics+HMS formats)
9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

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And I mean, nobody even commented on the 3D-printed Attack Rings being offered by Naijalak for prizes in the Scavenger Hunt even though they are super cool ... Even if they would not be legal for tournaments, this is novelty that should excite, and they would probably excite more people if they were parts from Metal Fight Beyblade or Beyblade Burst.

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I am all for Plastics and HMS tournaments, but I think you're being a bit ridiculous. We've never had a format for them, and never will. The interest will never be there, even with a "little nudge" (and even a nudge wouldn't do it. Brad clearly mentioned Plastics and HMS Remembrance Day as a "pretty big push"). It's expensive, and with asking most players to split their money on a clearly less prioritized format is absolutely crazy. I don't know if you've noticed, but almost everyone that actively plays HMS/Plastics on a competitive level has an income that allows them to do so. Most players simply do not have the money or the time to get competitive in these formats. You said it yourself : You have to know where to look and when to strike. Asking this of the average player is simply too much.

Because besides a few people, and before Burst, I felt this was moreso like the MFB Organization.

Seriously? You are starting to get selfish. We clearly have rewards for people who participate in these tournaments. Multiple Face Boosters, very expensive prizes over the years (sometimes even at the cost of the staff's own wallets), along with multitudes of other things. The WBO isn't about tournaments. Sure, that is a large aspect, but we have forums dedicated to these formats, and because of this, we are literally catering to a select group of people, not the general populous.

I'm asking myself right now if it's a lack of interest from the people, or the WBO. Or am I creating a problem in my head about this?

Obviously the people. The WBO has done, like I said above, multitudes of things to cater to a select group of people and try to reach to a broader audience, but eventually only the person themselves decides if they want to spend at least $50 - $100 just to get competitive in these formats. So I would say yes, this is a made up problem, at least in my mind.

If you think I'm biased towards Burst or MFB in anyway, I certainly am not. HMS is my favorite system by far, and the fact that I've spend over $1000 on HMS alone attests to this. I'm just being realistic, that's all.

Maybe I'm taking a minor thing and making a large deal of it. When I suggested a month event, I didn't necessarily mean prizes. I just meant sort of like; "this month we'll offer Face Booster Flaxen, Celeste, or Maroon for anyone hosting a Plastics or HMS tournament". Believe me, I appreciate everything the WBO has done. And I don't believe it's all about tournaments. I suppose, since I'm no where near any place active for tournaments, I wouldn't know what I'm talking about compared to you. And I didn't think you would be bias towards Burst or Metal Fight. Of course not. I think I understand what you mean.

And I mean, nobody even commented on the 3D-printed Attack Rings being offered by Naijalak for prizes in the Scavenger Hunt even though they are super cool ... Even if they would not be legal for tournaments, this is novelty that should excite, and they would probably excite more people if they were parts from Metal Fight Beyblade or Beyblade Burst.

I already thought they were cool prior to them being prizes. It didn't really faze me, though, so I didn't feel the need to comment on it.

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People already get those boosters for placing at Plastics and HMS tournaments, year round.

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4/29/12: The Spring Sortie (BB-10)
7/22/12: The Triple Threat (MFB+Plastics+HMS formats)
9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

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Diablo Kerbecs E230CF
SB Discussion
Q Discussion
MB Discussion
RS Discussion
BWD Discussion
MF-H Gravity Perseus BD145 RDF
MF-H Duo F230CF
F:S Discussion
SA165 Discussion

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HMS Question and Answer Thread
Competitive HMS Combos List
HMS Parts Discussion
HMS General Discussion

People already get those boosters for placing at Plastics and HMS tournaments, year round.

Again proving how uneducated I am.
Then I don't really know what would be an incentive, besides physical prizes, which has already been ruled out of the question.

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The issue isn't the lack of an incentive. It's a lack of demand.

The issue isn't the lack of an incentive. It's a lack of demand.

Thanks for answering so far, I was a little too hardheaded yesterday.

So let's say hypothetically, I had hosted before. Would you hold a stigma towards me hosting a PLA or HMS formatted tournament? Like, you wouldn't tell me to host another format instead, right? That is, if the people coming would already be interested in playing those formats.
But what if I haven't hosted a tournament before, (this is the case, but still hypothetical) would you want me to not host PLA or HMS for my first tournament, if that's what I pitched? Would you have preferred me to play something more modern?

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We have never discouraged anyone from hosting a tournament of any format and we never would, as long as they could find enough participants.

The issue isn't the lack of an incentive. It's a lack of demand.

Thanks for answering so far, I was a little too hardheaded yesterday.

So let's say hypothetically, I had hosted before. Would you hold a stigma towards me hosting a PLA or HMS formatted tournament? Like, you wouldn't tell me to host another format instead, right? That is, if the people coming would already be interested in playing those formats.
But what if I haven't hosted a tournament before, (this is the case, but still hypothetical) would you want me to not host PLA or HMS for my first tournament, if that's what I pitched? Would you have preferred me to play something more modern?

Why shouldn´t you host an oldschool tournament just because there are more modern ones? Plastics and HMS are officially released beyblades and as the others stated before, this is thill the World Beyblade Organization and not the MFB+Burst Organization.

Personally, wouldn´t see any problem in introducing "Rememberence Tournaments": Oficially hosted PLA+HMS tourneys, but without any ranking system. Only the usual gold/silver/bronze faces, but no physical prizes. And since the only difference between that and MFB tournaments would be that there aren´t any credits given, I can´t see any reason why your first hosted tournament shouldn´t be one like that. Just because we have to "step forward"? That would be kind of preposterous, imo.

edit: beaten. Thanks Brad. :')

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Personally, wouldn´t see any problem in introducing "Rememberence Tournaments": Oficially hosted PLA+HMS tourneys, but without any ranking system. Only the usual gold/silver/bronze faces, but no physical prizes.

This is how things already are, and we literally hosted a special "remembrance" period for plastics and HMS tournaments, in the middle of summer: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-HMS-Plas...-ohno-more

Neo, if you want to host a plastics and/or HMS tournament, post it up in the event proposals section.

Personally, wouldn´t see any problem in introducing "Rememberence Tournaments": Oficially hosted PLA+HMS tourneys, but without any ranking system. Only the usual gold/silver/bronze faces, but no physical prizes.

This is how things already are, and we literally hosted a special "remembrance" period for plastics and HMS tournaments, in the middle of summer: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-HMS-Plas...-ohno-more

Neo, if you want to host a plastics and/or HMS tournament, post it up in the event proposals section.

Oh, I thought you still got credits for winning those tournaments. My bad.

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Yes guys, you can hold plastic and HMS tournaments at any moment during the year as long as your local community is willing to participate in those formats (it was difficult for me to convince the Montréal Bladers to do plastics hah), but it is even more advantageous to organise those events when HMS Plastic & Remembrance Day happens every mid-July, for the past three or four years. We also include plastic and HMS Beyblades in the Blader Rewards and try to have them in as many BeyLottos as possible.

For me, all of this past discussion is incredible because it looks like a lot of information about our activities has totally escaped you guys hah.

And yes, plastic and HMS tournaments give you Faces and Credits anyway, as well as special Face Boosters for the top three if the host was unable to acquire physical prizes.

Oh, I thought you still got credits for winning those tournaments. My bad.

Not sure what you mean; Credits are distributed in the same way across every format.

Oh, I thought you still got credits for winning those tournaments. My bad.

Not sure what you mean; Credits are distributed in the same way across every format.

Now I'm confused as well. Then what did you mean by trouble caused when creating a "competitive environment" for plastics and HMS?

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From the last page:

Sure. There's a few reasons:

• Obviously, yes, one of the major limitations is that that the playerbase of Beyblade in general right now is very small; the number of Bladers who could really compete in Plastics/HMS events is incredibly minimal
  
• Because of the high cost, we can't offer any meaningful prize support for Plastics/HMS events
  
• As many Bladers have noticed, we have yet to build out a separate ranking system for Burst; ranking plastics and HMS would require is to build even more ranking systems
  

Ultimately, to try and build a real competitive system around Plastics/HMS would be a ton of work that benefits an extremely small group of people. We will continue to host plastics and HMS events when there is demand, but no matter what we do, it would never be a "competitive" environment in the first place for more than a vanishingly small handful of people.

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MF-H Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85RB
MSF-H Wyvang Ifraid GB145RF {Alternative to Wyvang^2 with more Upper Attack}
MSF-H Genbull Genbull 85RSF {Improved version of the above Phantom combo}
Balro Begirados 100RF {LTAC with both Upper Smash and regular Smash}
[LTD] MF-H Lightning L-Drago 85RB {more controllable Lightning LTAC}
[LTD] Burn Orion 105SF {Destabilizer}

Thanks cake. Yeah, what I meant was the seperate ranking systems. Why would we even need one for the old gens? Why not playing without any ranking for them at all? That's what I said no credits.

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Credits and rankings aren't connected. We've never ranked Plastics or HMS tournaments, but we've always awarded Credits for them.

Ding ding ding! Now I got it! XD alright, then I'd be happy, if we just continued like that, regardless of anything with burst.

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For me, all of this past discussion is incredible because it looks like a lot of information about our activities has totally escaped you guys hah.

Yeah, sorry about that.
I have a better idea of what you do with these formats, so thanks for all of the help.
The more you know, as NBC says.

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IDK how picky you guys wanna be about this, but on the Rankings page -

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- it says "BeyBlade" and "Beypoints" rather than "Beyblade" and "BeyPoints" as I've typically seen them capitalized.

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This is what we all want, Brad.

While it's certainly the least of our issues, it's probably a pretty easy fix, so we'll look into it!

I see Arupaeo was removed from the committee, did he come back and say he was done ? Seems rude for someone with a high rank to just disappear with no trace

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Threads you should read:

Pony King ? God, can't believe I typed this. I have to put my keyboard in the dishwasher now...

dude are you a gangster

LOL did you asked Midnight to take that pic?

When a monochrome picture is posted on WBO, it doesn't mean that it's always from Midnight.

I wouldn't trust someone with that many Cancer faces.

Well damn.

@[The Supreme One] Soul Baez V145AS

There's nothing else really to do or say except wait for the Superbowl, but I'm only here so I don't get fined.



Time. *gets up and leaves*

We won't have tournaments in the winter. Cause we are not one of those Canadian people where they just go outside like nothing happened to their hands.

i like my coffee like i like my men B)



i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

HMS summarised:




Anything not Tornado Type S:  Wolborg will leave you #rekt




Otherwise:  Go crazy with Ultimate Grip Flat 




For something less cookie-cutter:  Jiraiya sure is sexy

Is Wolborg 2 useless for competitive play?

Extremely useless. 
Now, if you come upon one I'll just PM you my address so you can throw it away. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear

I see Arupaeo was removed from the committee, did he come back and say he was done ? Seems rude for someone with a high rank to just disappear with no trace

Well, we still leave the door open to high contributors like that, but we have definitely not heard much from him in a while. There is a certain amount of activity you have to maintain in order to remain in the Committee, for sure.