Burst Classic Testing and Discussion

Hey, here are some tests Wombat and The Supreme One aka Karma gave me in the past in regards to Burst Classic.

Doomscizor Heavy Orbit (Odd) vs. (Stamina Mode) Cognite C3 Heavy Orbit (Even): Karma (Switch Os After 10 Battles)
- D.H.O: 2 OS, 1 Burst (15% Win Rate)
- C3.H.O: 11 Burst, 6 OS (85% Win Rate)

Battles 1-10: D had O (1) and C3 had O (2)
Battles 11-20: D had O (2) and C3 had O (1)

Doomscizor Heavy Orbit (Odd) vs. (Attack Mode) Cognite C3 Heavy Orbit (Even): Karma (Switch Os After 10 Battles)
- D.H.O: 2 OS, 1 Burst (15% Win Rate)
- C3.H.O: 17 Burst (85% Win Rate)

Battles 1-10: D had O (1) and C3 had O (2)
Battles 11-20: D had O (2) and C3 had O (1)

Doomscizor Heavy Orbit (Odd) vs. Satomb S3 Heavy Orbit (Even): Karma (Switch Os After 10 Battles)
- D.H.O: 3 OS, 2 Burst (25% Win Rate)
- S3.H.O: 14 Burst, 1 OS (75% Win Rate)

Battles 1-10: D had O (1) and S3 had O (2)
Battles 11-20: D had O (2) and S3 had O (1)

Doomscizor Heavy Orbit (Odd) vs. Anubion A2 Heavy Orbit (Even): Karma (Switch Os After 10 Battles)
- D.H.O: 3 OS (15% Win Rate)
- A2.H.O: 15 Burst, 2 OS (85% Win Rate)

Battles 1-10: D had O (1) and A2 had O (2)
Battles 11-20: D had O (2) and A2 had O (1)

Doomscizor Heavy Orbit (Odd) vs. Regulus R3 Heavy Orbit (Even): Karma (Switch Os After 10 Battles)
- D.H.O: 0 Wins (0% Win Rate)
- R3.H.O: 11 Burst, 9 OS (100% Win Rate)

Battles 1-10: D had O (1) and R3 had O (2)
Battles 11-20: D had O (2) and R3 had O (1)

(Stamina Mode) Cognite C3 Heavy Orbit (First Moderate) vs. Evipero Heavy Hunter (Second Sliding Shoot): Karma
- C3.H.O: 1 OS (5% Win Rate)
- E.H.Hn: 15 Burst, 4 OS (95% Win Rate)

(Attack Mode) Cognite C3 Heavy Orbit (First Moderate) vs. Evipero Heavy Hunter (Second Sliding Shoot): Karma
- C3.H.O: 13 OS (65% Win Rate)
- E.H.Hn: 6 Burst, 1 OS (35% Win Rate)

Satomb S3 Heavy Orbit (First Moderate) vs. Evipero Heavy Hunter (Second Sliding Shoot): Karma
- S3.H.O: 13 OS (65% Win Rate)
- E.H.Hn: 7 Burst (35% Win Rate)

Anubion A2 Heavy Orbit (First Moderate) vs. Evipero Heavy Hunter (Second Sliding Shoot): Karma
- A2.H.O: 17 OS (85% Win Rate)
- E.H.Hn: 3 Burst (15% Win Rate)

Regulus R3 Heavy Orbit (First Moderate) vs. Evipero Heavy Hunter (Second Sliding Shoot): Karma
- R3.H.O: 18 OS (90% Win Rate)
- E.H.Hn: 1 Burst, 1 OS (10% Win Rate)

(Stamina Mode) Cognite C3 Heavy Orbit (Odd Moderate) vs. Valtryek Gravity Weight (Even): Karma
- C3.H.O: 6 OS (30% Win Rate)
- V.G.W: 11 Burst, 3 OS (70% Win Rate)

(Attack Mode) Cognite C3 Heavy Orbit (Odd Moderate) vs. Valtryek Gravity Weight (Even): Karma
- S3.H.O: 4 OS, 2 KO, 1 Burst (35% Win Rate)
- V.G.W: 13 Burst (65% Win Rate)

Anubion A2 Heavy Orbit (Odd Moderate) vs. Valtryek Gravity Weight (Even): Karma
- A2.H.O: 12 OS, 3 Burst (75% Win Rate)
- V.G.W: 5 Burst (25% Win Rate)

Regulus R3 Heavy Orbit (Odd Moderate) vs. Valtryek Gravity Weight (Even): Karma
- R3.H.O: 15 OS, 2 Burst (85% Win Rate)
- V.G.W: 3 OS (15% Win Rate)

Gaianon G2 Gravity Bearing (First) vs. Spryzen S2 Gravity Zephyr (Second Sliding Shoot): Wombat
- G2.G.Br: 7 OS, 3 Burst, 1 KO (55% Win Rate)
- S2.G.Z: 7 OS, 2 KO (45% Win Rate)

Unicrest Gravity Bearing (First) vs. Spryzen S2 Gravity Zephyr (Second Sliding Shoot): Wombat
- U.G.Br: 9 OS, 4 Burst (65% Win Rate)
- S2.G.Z: 6 Burst, 1 OS (35% Win Rate)

Gaianon G2 Gravity Bearing (First) vs. Spryzen S2 Gravity Zephyr (Second): Wombat
- G2.G.Br: 15 OS (75% Win Rate)
- S2.G.Z: 5 OS (25% Win Rate)

Evipero Gravity Bearing (First) vs. Spryzen S2 Gravity Zephyr (Second Sliding Shoot): Wombat
- E.G.Br: 12 OS, 1 Burst (65% Win Rate)
- S2.G.Z: 3 Burst, 2 OS, 2 KO (35% Win Rate)

Unicrest U2 Gravity Bearing (First) vs. Spryzen S2 Gravity Zephyr (Second Sliding Shoot): Wombat
- U2.G.Br: 4 OS, 1 Burst (25% Win Rate)
- S2.G.Z: 8 OS, 6 Burst, 1 KO (75% Win Rate)

Caynox Gravity Bearing (First) vs. Spryzen S2 Gravity Zephyr (Second Sliding Shoot): Wombat
- C.G.Br: 4 Burst, 3 OS (35% Win Rate)
- S2.G.Z: 11 Burst, 2 OS (65% Win Rate)

Anubion A2 Gravity Bearing (First) vs. Spryzen S2 Gravity Zephyr (Second Sliding Shoot): Wombat
- A2.G.Br: 8 OS (40% Win Rate)
- S2.G.Z: 9 Burst, 3 KO (60% Win Rate)

Doomscizor D2 Gravity Bearing (First) vs. Spryzen S2 Gravity Zephyr (Second Sliding Shoot): Wombat
- D2.G.Br: 10 OS, 2 Burst (60% Win Rate)
- S2.G.Z: 8 Burst (40% Win Rate)

Dragoon Storm Yell Bearing (First Weak) vs. Spryzen S2 Gravity Zephyr (Second Sliding Shoot): Wombat
- DGS.Y.Br: 13 OS, 4 Burst (85% Win Rate)
- S2.G.Z: 2 KO, 1 Burst (15% Win Rate)

Dragoon Storm Yell Bearing (First Weak) vs. Spryzen S2 Gravity Hunter (Second Sliding Shoot): Wombat
- DGS.Y.Br: 8 Burst, 6 OS (70% Win Rate)
- S2.G.Hn: 5 Burst, 1 KO (30% Win Rate)

Dragoon Fighter Yell Bearing (First Weak) vs. Spryzen S2 Gravity Hunter (Second Sliding Shoot): Wombat
- DGF.Y.Br: 15 OS, 3 Burst (90% Win Rate)
- S2.G.Hn: 2 KO (10% Win Rate)

Dragoon Fighter Yell Bearing (First Weak) vs. Valtryek V2 Knuckle Hunter (Second Sliding Shoot): Wombat
- DGF.Y.Br: 19 OS (95% Win Rate)
- V2.K.Hn: 1 KO (5% Win Rate)

Luinor L4 Yell Bearing (First Weak) vs. Valtryek V2 Knuckle Hunter (Second Sliding Shoot): Wombat
- L4.Y.Br: 16 OS, 1 Burst (85% Win Rate)
- V2.K.Hn: 3 KO (15% Win Rate)

Dragoon Storm Yell Bearing (First Weak) vs. Spryzen S2 Knuckle Jolt-S (Battle Ring Mode) (Second Sliding Shoot): Wombat
- DGS.Y.Br: 7 OS, 3 Burst (50% Win Rate)
- S2.K.Jl-S: 9 Burst, 1 KO (50% Win Rate)

Dragoon Storm Yell Bearing (First Weak) vs. Spryzen S2 Knuckle Jolt-S (SlingShock Mode) (Second Sliding Shoot): Wombat
- DGS.Y.Br: 15 OS, 1 Burst (80% Win Rate)
- S2.K.Jl-S: 3 Burst, 1 OS (20% Win Rate)

Dragoon Fighter Yell Bearing (First Weak) vs. Spryzen S2 Knuckle Jolt-S (Battle Ring Mode) (Second Sliding Shoot): Wombat
- DGF.Y.Br: 14 OS, 6 Burst (100% Win Rate)
- S2.K.Jl-S: 0 Wins (0% Win Rate)

Luinor L4 Yell Orbit (First Weak) vs. Valtryek V2 Knuckle Jolt-S (Battle Ring Mode) (Second Sliding Shoot): Karma
- L4.Y.O: 9 OS, 2 Burst, 1 KO (60% Win Rate)
- V2.K.Jl-S: 4 KO, 4 OS (40% Win Rate)
That makes both Dragoons look...really quite scary actually. Something to keep an eye on...
(Jan. 13, 2019  11:27 PM)~Mana~ Wrote: That makes both Dragoons look...really quite scary actually. Something to keep an eye on...
Dragoon Fighter is the tougher one of the two. But it's a good thing Hasbro Bearing got banned for Classic, or else those two would've caused some trouble. But we'll see how well they do on other Drivers soon too.
(Jan. 13, 2019  11:29 PM)kjrules17 Wrote:
(Jan. 13, 2019  11:27 PM)~Mana~ Wrote: That makes both Dragoons look...really quite scary actually. Something to keep an eye on...
Dragoon Fighter is the tougher one of the two. But it's a good thing Hasbro Bearing got banned for Classic, or else those two would've caused some trouble. But we'll see how well they do on other Drivers soon too.

To make sure that Dragoon isn’t O.P. you should test it out on Destroy
(Jan. 13, 2019  11:32 PM)CheetoBlader Wrote: To make sure that Dragoon isn’t O.P. you should test it out on Destroy
Don't worry, I'll try it out soon™.
(Jan. 13, 2019  11:33 PM)kjrules17 Wrote:
(Jan. 13, 2019  11:32 PM)CheetoBlader Wrote: To make sure that Dragoon isn’t O.P. you should test it out on Destroy
Don't worry, I'll try it out soon™.

Okay thanksSmile
How well does Wolborg Spread/Heavy/Gravity Orbit look as a defense type?
(Jan. 13, 2019  11:37 PM)Dragunix Wrote: How well does Wolborg Spread/Heavy/Gravity Orbit look as a defense type?
I have no idea, sorry. We don't have Wolborg for Hasbro. Maybe a Takara Tomy Burst Classic Testing thread should be made soon as well.
(Jan. 13, 2019  11:42 PM)kjrules17 Wrote:
(Jan. 13, 2019  11:37 PM)Dragunix Wrote: How well does Wolborg Spread/Heavy/Gravity Orbit look as a defense type?
I have no idea, sorry. We don't have Wolborg for Hasbro. Maybe a Takara Tomy Burst Classic Testing thread should be made soon as well.

Is this alright?

https://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Takara-...pid1489741
(Jan. 14, 2019  12:30 AM)Dragunix Wrote: Is this alright?

https://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Takara-...pid1489741
Looks good. A few things though. If you added the TT option, you don't necessarily have to have it in the title as well. Also, it's recommended to do either 10 or 20 rounds.
(Jan. 14, 2019  12:32 AM)kjrules17 Wrote:
(Jan. 14, 2019  12:30 AM)Dragunix Wrote: Is this alright?

https://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Takara-...pid1489741
Looks good. A few things though. If you added the TT option, you don't necessarily have to have it in the title as well. Also, it's recommended to do either 10 or 20 rounds.

Thank you for the information. I'll get to re-testing the current results with 20 rounds.
(Jan. 14, 2019  12:34 AM)Dragunix Wrote: Thank you for the information. I'll get to re-testing the current results with 20 rounds.
No problem. Looking forward to the results.
Thanks again for the tests KJ! They've certainly been helpful with drafting a preliminary Burst Classic ban list - great to get a sense for how viable Hasbro layers are relative to their Takara Tomy counterparts.
Sorry if this seems a little out there, but, what is Burst Classic?
(Jan. 13, 2019  11:27 PM)~Mana~ Wrote: That makes both Dragoons look...really quite scary actually. Something to keep an eye on...

Yeah. I found a combo that is like both the best and the worst combo at the same time. Its DGF.P.Xt S. Its super light so one good hit will knock it out, but if it doesnt get knocked out it can OS pretty much everything in classic. It can't OS Br combos but since it is only TT Br it will be able to burst most of them.
(Jan. 15, 2019  1:35 AM)MystMotone101 Wrote: Sorry if this seems a little out there, but, what is Burst Classic?

See here for more information
(Jan. 15, 2019  1:08 AM)The Supreme One Wrote: Thanks again for the tests KJ! They've certainly been helpful with drafting a preliminary Burst Classic ban list - great to get a sense for how viable Hasbro layers are relative to their Takara Tomy counterparts.
No problem!
(Jan. 13, 2019  11:33 PM)kjrules17 Wrote:
(Jan. 13, 2019  11:32 PM)CheetoBlader Wrote: To make sure that Dragoon isn’t O.P. you should test it out on Destroy
Don't worry, I'll try it out soon™.

Did you try it out yet?
(Jan. 15, 2019  2:10 AM)CheetoBlader Wrote: Did you try it out yet?
I'll post the test results when I do, don't worry lol.
(Jan. 15, 2019  2:11 AM)kjrules17 Wrote:
(Jan. 15, 2019  2:10 AM)CheetoBlader Wrote: Did you try it out yet?
I'll post the test results when I do, don't worry lol.

OkaySmile
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Regulus R3 Gravity Orbit (First) vs. Spryzen S2 Knuckle Jolt-S (Battle Ring Mode) (Second Sliding Shoot): ~Mana~
- R3.G.O: 5 OS, 4 Burst (90% Win Rate)
- S2.K.Jl-S: 1 Burst (10% Win Rate)

Regulus R3 Gravity Orbit (First) vs. Valtryek V2 Knuckle Jolt-S (Battle Ring Mode) (Second Sliding Shoot): ~Mana~
- R3.G.O: 5 OS (50% Win Rate)
- V2.K.Jl-S: 5 Burst (50% Win Rate)

Regulus R3 Gravity Orbit (First) vs. Valtryek V2 Knuckle Jolt-S (SlingShock Mode) (Second Sliding Shoot): ~Mana~
- R3.G.O: 4 OS, 1 Burst (50% Win Rate)
- V2.K.Jl-S: 5 Burst (50% Win Rate)

Regulus R3 Gravity Orbit (Odd Weak) vs. Dragoon Fighter Polish Destroy (Even Weak): ~Mana~
- R3.G.O: 2 OS (20% Win Rate)
- DGF.P.Ds: 8 OS (80% Win Rate)

Regulus R3 Gravity Orbit (First) vs. Spryzen S2 Gravity Zephyr (Second Sliding Shoot): ~Mana~
- R3.G.O: 1 OS (10% Win Rate)
- S2.G.Z: 7 Burst, 2 KO (90% Win Rate)

Regulus R3 Gravity Orbit (First) vs. Valtryek V2 Gravity Zephyr (Second Sliding Shoot): ~Mana~
- R3.G.O: 4 OS (40% Win Rate)
- V2.G.Z: 4 Burst, 1 OS, 1 KO (60% Win Rate)

Regulus R3 Gravity Orbit (First) vs. Yegdrion Y2 Gravity Zephyr (Second Sliding Shoot): ~Mana~
- R3.G.O: 1 OS (10% Win Rate)
- Y2.G.Z: 5 Burst, 4 OS (90% Win Rate)

(Hasbro Exclusive) Orpheus O2 Gravity Cycle (First) vs. Spryzen S2 Gravity Zephyr (Second Sliding Shoot): Bladekid
- (HE) O2.G.Cy: 2 OS, 1 KO (30% Win Rate)
- S2.G.Z: 4 OS, 2 Burst, 1 KO (70% Win Rate)
(Jan. 17, 2019  3:07 AM)kjrules17 Wrote: Regulus R3 Gravity Orbit (First) vs. Spryzen S2 Knuckle Jolt-S (Battle Ring Mode) (Second Sliding Shoot): ~Mana~
- R3.G.O: 5 OS, 4 Burst (90% Win Rate)
- S2.K.Jl-S: 1 Burst (10% Win Rate)

Regulus R3 Gravity Orbit (First) vs. Valtryek V2 Knuckle Jolt-S (Battle Ring Mode) (Second Sliding Shoot): ~Mana~
- R3.G.O: 5 OS (50% Win Rate)
- V2.K.Jl-S: 5 Burst (50% Win Rate)

Regulus R3 Gravity Orbit (First) vs. Valtryek V2 Knuckle Jolt-S (SlingShock Mode) (Second Sliding Shoot): ~Mana~
- R3.G.O: 4 OS, 1 Burst (50% Win Rate)
- V2.K.Jl-S: 5 Burst (50% Win Rate)

Regulus R3 Gravity Orbit (Odd Weak) vs. Dragoon Fighter Polish Destroy (Even Weak): ~Mana~
- R3.G.O: 2 OS (20% Win Rate)
- DGF.P.Ds: 8 OS (80% Win Rate)

Regulus R3 Gravity Orbit (First) vs. Spryzen S2 Gravity Zephyr (Second Sliding Shoot): ~Mana~
- R3.G.O: 1 OS (10% Win Rate)
- S2.G.Z: 7 Burst, 2 KO (90% Win Rate)

Regulus R3 Gravity Orbit (First) vs. Valtryek V2 Gravity Zephyr (Second Sliding Shoot): ~Mana~
- R3.G.O: 4 OS (40% Win Rate)
- V2.G.Z: 4 Burst, 1 OS, 1 KO (60% Win Rate)

Regulus R3 Gravity Orbit (First) vs. Yegdrion Y2 Gravity Zephyr (Second Sliding Shoot): ~Mana~
- R3.G.O: 1 OS (10% Win Rate)
- Y2.G.Z: 5 Burst, 4 OS (90% Win Rate)

(Hasbro Exclusive) Orpheus O2 Gravity Cycle (First) vs. Spryzen S2 Gravity Zephyr (Second Sliding Shoot): Bladekid
- (HE) O2.G.Cy: 2 OS, 1 KO (30% Win Rate)
- S2.G.Z: 4 OS, 2 Burst, 1 KO (70% Win Rate)
I knew Dragoon on Destroy would be O.P. !
We only had one test of Dragoon Fighter on Destroy, so I wouldn't say it's overpowered just yet, considering that it did worse than S2 and Y2 on Gravity Zephyr against Regulus R3. More testing might need to be done against other combos before anything can be said about how OP Dragoon on Destroy is.
(Jan. 17, 2019  9:44 AM)MystMotone101 Wrote: We only had one test of Dragoon Fighter on Destroy, so I wouldn't say it's overpowered just yet, considering that it did worse than  S2 and Y2 on Gravity Zephyr against Regulus R3. More testing might need to be done against other combos before anything can be said about how OP Dragoon on Destroy is.

Yeah, I know. Personally, I don't think it is as good because of Ds's low stamina, A2 on Ir could probably stall it out. I use DGF.P.Xt S and it seems to do the trick a bit better and the attack mode can burst things that are on Br and things like D1 and gK with relative ease.
I wonder if anyone's done decent testing with Tyros or Orpheus. I know, they're kind of vanilla dual layers, but maybe I'll see how they fare.