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RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - BH145WD - Nov. 10, 2012 (Nov. 10, 2012 7:53 AM)*Billy* Wrote: I just love how everyone is saying KillerKen has Great Smash a tad worse than Reviser for Defense and it has decent stamina, it seems contradicting to me but I don't have one. RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragoon. - 50uNdW4v3 - Nov. 10, 2012 (Nov. 10, 2012 2:49 AM)BH145WD Wrote: Now, for that Orojya Genbull carp, what combo did you want to test?Genbull/Orojya Dragooon LW160EWD/TB? RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - XtremeBlader132 - Nov. 10, 2012 is this tread just for the attack combo for dragooon or the spin stealing too?(like Revizer Dragooon SA165EWD) cus i know to counter spin stealing dragooon RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - Kujikato - Nov. 10, 2012 If in theory, a Tornado Staller would work... Then, possible a very inner weight centered Sychrom with a MF? As well as possible TH170 and MF/XF/RF or whatever decent flat tip. (Kinda like Basalt TH170 WF) RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - *Ginga* - Nov. 10, 2012 Ah, but what would the Synchrome be? And, while this might work, I can't see why it would, because there is no tornado ridg, or anything stopping Self KO. RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragoon. - Ultimo - Nov. 10, 2012 (Nov. 10, 2012 5:18 AM)BH145WD Wrote:(Nov. 10, 2012 5:13 AM)Ultimo Wrote:(Nov. 10, 2012 4:56 AM)BH145WD Wrote: That isn't quite true at all. No doubt that the sway (Attacker) will be able to sway the opposite rotation bey, and that it can KO or OS it, but there is a fat chance that it will even be able to make it sway out. (In this case, Dragooon). Why don't you try to attack head on...? You know the combo can utilize smash attack... MSF-F/MSF-L Killerken Killerken SA165/160/TH170 RF/MF/R2F RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - Kujikato - Nov. 10, 2012 ginga, a launching technique would need to be developed, OR just insane speed to bounce off the walls... I've never seen a 0G stadia in real life XD just basing this on hypothesis. Just look for wheels that 1. have a nice weight distribution, mainly to the middle I suppose. Well, maybe Reviser Reviser? I really don't know how the wheels perform that much XD RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - *Ginga* - Nov. 10, 2012 Ah, that is funny, LOL. Anyways, I don't think Revizer would work,its weight is pretty evenly distributed. I'll look at the images of all the wheels, and get back to you. RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - Kujikato - Nov. 10, 2012 Well, it's both funny and stupid really. This is just brain vomit, could be nonsense. XD Hopefully this will mean some of the lesser used wheels will get some spotlight for weight distribution. Going for RPM so bounces will be probably more irregular. RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - *Ginga* - Nov. 10, 2012 From the wheels I have, there is really no way to tell how it is distributed. I believe there was a Japanese blogger who did the distributing thing, but I can not find him ... RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragoon. - 50uNdW4v3 - Nov. 10, 2012 (Nov. 10, 2012 3:34 PM)Ultimo Wrote: Why don'y you try to attack head on...? You know the combo can utilize smash attack... (Nov. 10, 2012 5:18 AM)BH145WD Wrote: Only one of Reviser Killerken's wins actually proved that it had great smash when it kept continuously hammering GD. Did he not just tell you how he could only get like one good KO with RK? And if GCF sucked for it, why would you even bother with MF? (even worse weight and grip). He also said he DIDN'T have a second Killerken, no? Also, this: (Nov. 07, 2012 12:04 PM)One Direction Wrote: >Reviser Dragooon B: D vs Ifraid Ifraid 230CF1. VariAres doesn't work well EVEN IN LEFT SPIN implies it probably sucked more in right-spin. Also, I have never seen Killerken ^2 tests for smash. 2. Right-Spin Force Smah seems to kinda suck as well. Pick a username, any username (Click to View) /rant If we are going to keep trying to use smash attackers a la Synchrom, let's use something that has been proven to actually work, like Phoenic ^2, Gryph ^2, or Begirados ^2. Better yet, I have been having fun with Phoenic Begirados ___RF, and it seems to work alright against combos like MSF-Revizer Saramanda E230CS (in a BB-10, anyway). RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - Ultimo - Nov. 10, 2012 Similar to the MF-H Basalt Kerbecs TH170 WF combo, why doesn't one try MF-H/MF-L/MF-M/MF Duo Cygnus TH170 WSF RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - BillyBlast - Nov. 10, 2012 About the Staller discussion it would work if it could continue to spin without hitting Dragooon as a Staller Does I was thinking about Phantom But I don't know how it could Cycle in a Zero-G Stadium without hitting and OS Dragooon, if you start having Contact with Dragooon it is all over. @BHD145WD I was just thinking of a light track, and I was saying that could possibly sway it would have to be among that serverity, I wasn't against you or anything, and about Killlerken I don't know anything about it but it seems extremely contradicting. And about the D tip I dind't mean to say I question you butI meant I am asking a question XD I wanted your reasoning on that, But D wouldn't live through sway, and BWD from my experience (I did have one) never fell hard like a W2D but got back up immediatly, it has a Odd wobbling pattern which is what I meant by sliding couldn't think of the word. RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - *Ginga* - Nov. 10, 2012 Now now, let's not accuse people of being Mu. RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragoon. - BH145WD - Nov. 10, 2012 (Nov. 10, 2012 2:57 PM)Crab Commando Wrote:(Nov. 10, 2012 2:49 AM)BH145WD Wrote: Now, for that Orojya Genbull carp, what combo did you want to test?Genbull/Orojya Dragooon LW160EWD/TB? Damn it. bb shiny dragooon GD launched first and alternated with MLD Left-String Launcher Genbull Dragooon LW160TB vs Reviser Dragooon BD GD wins: 16 wins (15 OS, 1 KO) RD wins: 4 wins (4 OS) Spoiler (Click to View) Reviser Killerken SA165(Normal)RF vs Gargole Dragooon BD RK wins: 2 wins (2 KO) GD wins: 18 wins (13 OS, 3 SO, 2 KO) Spoiler (Click to View) If you want to state good combos, go test it for yourself first. I don't see many tests of these combos by you and you can say that they're good? RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - Ultimo - Nov. 10, 2012 I apologize. I'm try to state out combo's that I believe can beat _____ Dragooon B:D... I am going to continue to state out random combos until we find out Dragooon murderer/killer. It should be clearly stated though: No Combo can consistently OS/KO _____ Dragooon B:D without having Dragooon in/on it. Edit: Except for completely irrational combos such as Death Gasher CH120 WD. RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - BH145WD - Nov. 10, 2012 (Nov. 10, 2012 5:17 PM)Ultimo Wrote: I apologize. I'm try to state out combo's that I believe can beat _____ Dragooon B... I am going to continue to state out random combos until we find out Dragooon murderer/killer. You should really test the combos yourself instead of stating "I believe". RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - Ultimo - Nov. 10, 2012 Well thats true. I do beleive that there should be a thread for "Theoryblade." One can then state random improbable combo's until there's one that truly stands out. RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - wpardin - Nov. 10, 2012 The easiest way is to test it yourself rather than just throwing some random combos that are not competitive. RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragoon. - 50uNdW4v3 - Nov. 10, 2012 BH145WD Wrote: GD launched first and alternated with MLD Left-String LauncherThank you so much for the test, BH145WD! If possible, could you do a test in which you swap the Dragooon Chromes (old/new) to see if it isn't a wear factor that made it do well with the tests? Again, though, thank you. The combo seems to work decently. Ultimo: Death Gasher CH120WD: Completely irrational? What do you mean, it's an Anti-Spin-Steal combo. RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - BH145WD - Nov. 10, 2012 Swapped Chrome Wheel Test Genbull Dragooon (Worn) LW160TB vs Reviser Dragooon (New) BD GD wins: 16 wins (16 OS) RD wins: 4 wins (4 OS) Spoiler (Click to View) lolwut... same result except for no KOs. Kinda made my new dragooon scratch for nothing RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - 50uNdW4v3 - Nov. 11, 2012 (Nov. 10, 2012 8:07 PM)BH145WD Wrote: Swapped Chrome Wheel TestAw, sorry dude! Out of curiosity, how close were GD's outspins? Did it just barely outspin or have a few more rotations at the end? RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - BH145WD - Nov. 11, 2012 (Nov. 11, 2012 12:06 AM)Crab Commando Wrote:(Nov. 10, 2012 8:07 PM)BH145WD Wrote: Swapped Chrome Wheel TestAw, sorry dude! np. Whenever GD outspun RD, it usually had a significant amount of rotations left (If I don't take RD out of the stadium, probably like 3-5 seconds) But when RD outspun GD, it was always a few rotations because for GD to sleep out TB had to completely wobble and collapse RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - 50uNdW4v3 - Nov. 11, 2012 (Nov. 11, 2012 1:08 AM)BH145WD Wrote:Ah, cool!(Nov. 11, 2012 12:06 AM)Crab Commando Wrote: [quote='BH145WD' pid='1058585' dateline='1352574422'] Would you consider this combo to be more consistent than Death Gasher CH120WD? RE: Competitive ways to counter Dragooon. - One Direction - Nov. 11, 2012 (Nov. 11, 2012 2:17 AM)Crab Commando Wrote:It is probably much more consistent. BH145WD, could you test this combo against other combo's to see if this is competitive.(Nov. 11, 2012 1:08 AM)BH145WD Wrote:Ah, cool!(Nov. 11, 2012 12:06 AM)Crab Commando Wrote: [quote='BH145WD' pid='1058585' dateline='1352574422'] I will add all possible counters to the OP for easier viewing. EDIT: If possible, could you guys try NOT to use DragOOOn? |