WBO Writing-Help It

BeyCenter · Sep 09 2011 11:50 PM

There's also the excuse, where they put the disclaimer that their grammar sucks, but they don't give a damn to try to make it better. LESSON: Don't write a story if you know you're not good at writing, it will turn out bad.
But seriously, some people need to learn.

TITAN · Sep 09 2011 11:59 PM

Well, at least some new stories are okay. I just read Nwolf's new story, and, other than a couple of grammar mistakes, it's good! But, for the most part, the grammar in stories here is pretty bad. Why are there so many baffoons on the internet?

BeybladerPotter · Sep 10 2011 06:37 AM

Well, I can't really say that everything is here is carp nor is it good. But mostly everything is here is carp. Those who write good don't even get noticed because of the damn bad praise other carpy stories receive. I don't get why people do stories when they don't even know how to write. I mean, why write if you suck/don't want to accept criticism? That's just plain stupid. Sure, maybe you can try writing even if you suck only if you'll accept the criticism. ONLY. Will you die if you take your time to copy/paste your chapter on Word to make sure there isn't any mistakes? I don't think so. People these days....jeez. Only do something you suck at if you're willing to improve and accept criticism offered by those who are better than you. Serious

TITAN · Sep 10 2011 06:59 AM

Yeah, that's what I did. I'd say I was in the Lower-Middle Class of writers when I started here, and now I think I'm around Middle-Upper Class. It's all because I listened to people. I read stories that were better than mine, and I tried to outdo them. The readers and I found the flaws in mine, and I looked to other stories that didn't have those mistakes.

Synth · Sep 10 2011 04:06 PM

you know whats the real problem? ITS YOU GUYS.

harsh comments? Multiple attacks? isn't a bit to much guys? and i thought you guys right now are good at writing? cause theres this quote that says "a wise man only needs 1 word to understand"?

You know what's need to be fix. fix it yourself. don't CnC if someone already did so. what's the point of it? it will look like we are harsh to them :[

Dr. Peace · Sep 10 2011 04:21 PM

First of all, i'm sorry for Your Creation forum for being in the state where it need this thread to repair itself. Basically, i'm not a writer but i'm more towards poetry and stuff. In my opinion, poetry and writing both face the same kind of problems where there is a Shakespeare wannabe born and started to walk the path of writing. They still confuse and don't know their own goals and don't even realise that they have started to barging on somebody's turf. That is why the world itself have give us the cure to this sickness. I have been thinking that if the writer's story is bad, than the seniors should try and help him to be the best. This is because if he/she have the patience or the will to be a writer, than, we should grab his hands and help him walk the path in front of him. If not, give a piece of your voice slit into his head that he is not suitable to be a writer and should give up the thread. This is just my opinion, I myself don't really knows the right or wrong of the creations i've been created all this while. I learn it the hard way to notice the wrong things that i've done. As Dr Dre always said "i've been there and done that". Pinching_grin

Temporal · Sep 10 2011 05:26 PM

(Sep 10 2011 04:06 PM)DeX Wrote: you know whats the real problem? ITS YOU GUYS.

harsh comments? Multiple attacks? isn't a bit to much guys? and i thought you guys right now are good at writing? cause theres this quote that says "a wise man only needs 1 word to understand"?

You know what's need to be fix. fix it yourself. don't CnC if someone already did so. what's the point of it? it will look like we are harsh to them :[

Now how are WE the issue? When you have a bunch of people who can barely spell posting bad stories, and then lie about fixing it when they obviously didn't edit, making poor excuses (I mean, really. If you need an excuse, put in some effort, dammit!), and all around being stubborn. The issue is that they want all of this praise, but won't put in any effort. If these threads weren't made, then comments would be unnecessary. Most of us aren't harsh until it becomes obvious that the person isn't listening anyway. You're not looking at the whole idea, you just see "Oh my god! PPL Suk!".

Our real issue is that after pointing out what is wrong, they
A. Get offended and start complaining.
B. Get annoyed and start complaining.
C. The people who blindly praise start complaining.
D. They just ignore us. And then start complaining when we bring it up again.
E. Take the advice. This is what we're looking for, but we haven't seen it in SO long.

It is silly to ignore advice. When Sparta offers to help, members say something along the lines of "It's fine! I'm a gurt righter!". When I point stuff out, I'm accused of being mean. Most members know I'm not. Titan points it out, and he's normally ignored, and writers plainly lie until NooDoo Soup points out the lie. As I've pointed out, there is a specific pattern to what bad writers do around a specific member. They think they can write because people constantly tell them that they can when they obviously stink. And because of this, they have to protect their precious ego, so advice is out of the question.

List of new writers that take advice
1-T.L Drago
2- Maybe two different writers. MAYBE.
That's three. The rest get offended. I bet that in three minutes, I can find six bad stories. In the same amount of time, I MIGHT find two good ones.

Also, when multiple people criticize, it is because the one before missed something. Or they just bandwagon. That's also an issue. IF EVERYTHING HAS BEEN COVERED, LEAVE IT BE!

Deikailo · Sep 10 2011 06:16 PM

If you want a forum with good writers, join an actual writing forum. This is a forum for Beyblade. Although the WBO allows you to express yourself through the Your Creations forum, it's not a priority nor should it be.

Gaiaonline is really good for improving your writing for the level that you guys are at. That's how I got better at drawing. You should try going there and see how you fair instead of making complaints here.

Temporal · Sep 10 2011 06:40 PM

But the forum wasn't always like that. Night was a damn good writer, if I recall. There wasn't as many bad stories back in late 2010. Maybe it isn't a priority but a nosedive is a nosedive regardless of how important.

Deikailo · Sep 10 2011 06:51 PM

(Sep 10 2011 06:40 PM)Temporal Wrote: But the forum wasn't always like that. Night was a damn good writer, if I recall. There wasn't as many bad stories back in late 2010. Maybe it isn't a priority but a nosedive is a nosedive regardless of how important.

Are you kidding me? The forum has been like that since 2009.

http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-BeyBlade...-Chapter-2

Temporal · Sep 10 2011 06:55 PM

Unfortunately, that is slightly better than some of the recent stories. I never said that bad stories didn't exist, I said that they didn't appear in waves like they do now.

One case of a worse story: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-bey-stor...-unleashed

Poseidon · Sep 10 2011 06:58 PM

Man, i hope im not one of the carp one...
Anyway, the obvious ones that arent good happens. put it this way though, at least they are brave enough to put it on. Just give the constructive advice, try focus o the good parts a little, and tell them how to improve.

Temporal · Sep 10 2011 07:01 PM

And if there are no "good parts"? When we DO try to be as nice as possible, the terrible writers get angry and start going off.

Deikailo · Sep 10 2011 07:02 PM

Yo, that example was from when we only had like, 5,000 members so of course it was not overflooded like it is now. The show wasn't even being aired.

I think the main problem is everyone creates a new topic for each other their work. Why can't you just name topics as

[STORY] Deikailo's Tales

and just include all of my work in the OP if I have more than one piece. Put everything in spoilers. Done. If I want one for my art:

[DRAWING] Deikailo's Doodles

and again, update the OP.

Graphic battles should not have a new topic for everything.

Raigeko13 · Sep 10 2011 07:03 PM

I'm gonna go with DeX.
Children are resistant to things like what we tell them "use better grammar" , "it has no plot, try harder"
The problem is us.
EDIT: I don't feel like making a big fancy post explaining why lol

Poseidon · Sep 10 2011 07:06 PM

(Sep 10 2011 07:01 PM)Temporal Wrote: And if there are no "good parts"? When we DO try to be as nice as possible, the terrible writers get angry and start going off.

Dont reply then. Or just say "you must have had alot courage to put this on" you know. Something that everything has in common.

Temporal · Sep 10 2011 07:12 PM

(Sep 10 2011 07:02 PM)Deikailo Wrote: Yo, that example was from when we only had like, 5,000 members so of course it was not overflooded like it is now. The show wasn't even being aired.

I think the main problem is everyone creates a new topic for each other their work. Why can't you just name topics as

[STORY] Deikailo's Tales

and just include all of my work in the OP if I have more than one piece. Put everything in spoilers. Done. If I want one for my art:

[DRAWING] Deikailo's Doodles

and again, update the OP.

Graphic battles should not have a new topic for everything.

Actually, that is a good idea, for more than just saving space.

One: maybe it will encourage people to use effort, since if you have a beyond terrible story, not many people will read your others.

Two: You don't have crud like some story from back in January called "The Crazy Story!", and thus, less closures.

Three: Criticism can apply to all stories, not just one. Thus, we don't all look like total jerks.

On saying "At least you had courage" is kinda cheap, and is simply the mindless praise we were talking about. Maybe we are the issue by stacking the same points over and over. Which is why one should not post criticism unless one of the three are present:
One: The previous criticism is ignored. In this case, just quote the old post and say "Nothing has changed" or "Still applies"

Two: You have something new to say.

Three: You are referring to a newer chapter. If so, SAY SO.

Deikailo · Sep 10 2011 07:36 PM

Maybe if there was a stickied topic called "The WBO Library" where, in the OP, there are completed works of members who have taken the effort to edit their work to make it a legible and entertaining piece. All works would have to be completed and approved by the powers that be in order to be added to the "library".

This would not only encourage people to stay focused on their work and actually complete it, but they will also now have the incentive to actually improve.

Temporal · Sep 10 2011 07:42 PM

Oh, I really like that idea. Run it by a moderator if you already haven't?

.:J:. · Sep 10 2011 08:07 PM

I would like that, it would be good, so that you didn't have to search for stories and you can browse the authors

BeyCenter BeyRank: #359 (1,119)	Post: #21 There's also the excuse, where they put the disclaimer that their grammar sucks, but they don't give a damn to try to make it better. LESSON: Don't write a story if you know you're not good at writing, it will turn out bad. But seriously, some people need to learn.
Sep 09 2011 11:50 PM

TITAN teh bum	Post: #22 Well, at least some new stories are okay. I just read Nwolf's new story, and, other than a couple of grammar mistakes, it's good! But, for the most part, the grammar in stories here is pretty bad. Why are there so many baffoons on the internet? Sig By Fathom BZPower l PenPad Forums
Sep 09 2011 11:59 PM

BeybladerPotter 飛ぶ空	Post: #23 (This post was last modified: Sep 10 2011 06:40 AM by BeybladerPotter.) Well, I can't really say that everything is here is carp nor is it good. But mostly everything is here is carp. Those who write good don't even get noticed because of the damn bad praise other carpy stories receive. I don't get why people do stories when they don't even know how to write. I mean, why write if you suck/don't want to accept criticism? That's just plain stupid. Sure, maybe you can try writing even if you suck only if you'll accept the criticism. ONLY. Will you die if you take your time to copy/paste your chapter on Word to make sure there isn't any mistakes? I don't think so. People these days....jeez. Only do something you suck at if you're willing to improve and accept criticism offered by those who are better than you. "You want something to happen? Make it happen." [Novel] The Andromeda Files : The End Of Eternity
Sep 10 2011 06:37 AM

TITAN teh bum	Post: #24 Yeah, that's what I did. I'd say I was in the Lower-Middle Class of writers when I started here, and now I think I'm around Middle-Upper Class. It's all because I listened to people. I read stories that were better than mine, and I tried to outdo them. The readers and I found the flaws in mine, and I looked to other stories that didn't have those mistakes. Sig By Fathom BZPower l PenPad Forums
Sep 10 2011 06:59 AM

Dr. Peace Quack Doctor BeyRank: #570 (1,071)	Post: #26 First of all, i'm sorry for Your Creation forum for being in the state where it need this thread to repair itself. Basically, i'm not a writer but i'm more towards poetry and stuff. In my opinion, poetry and writing both face the same kind of problems where there is a Shakespeare wannabe born and started to walk the path of writing. They still confuse and don't know their own goals and don't even realise that they have started to barging on somebody's turf. That is why the world itself have give us the cure to this sickness. I have been thinking that if the writer's story is bad, than the seniors should try and help him to be the best. This is because if he/she have the patience or the will to be a writer, than, we should grab his hands and help him walk the path in front of him. If not, give a piece of your voice slit into his head that he is not suitable to be a writer and should give up the thread. This is just my opinion, I myself don't really knows the right or wrong of the creations i've been created all this while. I learn it the hard way to notice the wrong things that i've done. As Dr Dre always said "i've been there and done that". a special thanks to.... -SDamonCronous for the awesome sig and avatar
Sep 10 2011 04:21 PM

Temporal Upper Dragon	Post: #27 (This post was last modified: Sep 10 2011 05:29 PM by Temporal.) (Sep 10 2011 04:06 PM)DeX Wrote: you know whats the real problem? ITS YOU GUYS. harsh comments? Multiple attacks? isn't a bit to much guys? and i thought you guys right now are good at writing? cause theres this quote that says "a wise man only needs 1 word to understand"? You know what's need to be fix. fix it yourself. don't CnC if someone already did so. what's the point of it? it will look like we are harsh to them :[ Now how are WE the issue? When you have a bunch of people who can barely spell posting bad stories, and then lie about fixing it when they obviously didn't edit, making poor excuses (I mean, really. If you need an excuse, put in some effort, dammit!), and all around being stubborn. The issue is that they want all of this praise, but won't put in any effort. If these threads weren't made, then comments would be unnecessary. Most of us aren't harsh until it becomes obvious that the person isn't listening anyway. You're not looking at the whole idea, you just see "Oh my god! PPL Suk!". Our real issue is that after pointing out what is wrong, they A. Get offended and start complaining. B. Get annoyed and start complaining. C. The people who blindly praise start complaining. D. They just ignore us. And then start complaining when we bring it up again. E. Take the advice. This is what we're looking for, but we haven't seen it in SO long. It is silly to ignore advice. When Sparta offers to help, members say something along the lines of "It's fine! I'm a gurt righter!". When I point stuff out, I'm accused of being mean. Most members know I'm not. Titan points it out, and he's normally ignored, and writers plainly lie until NooDoo Soup points out the lie. As I've pointed out, there is a specific pattern to what bad writers do around a specific member. They think they can write because people constantly tell them that they can when they obviously stink. And because of this, they have to protect their precious ego, so advice is out of the question. List of new writers that take advice 1-T.L Drago 2- Maybe two different writers. MAYBE. That's three. The rest get offended. I bet that in three minutes, I can find six bad stories. In the same amount of time, I MIGHT find two good ones. Also, when multiple people criticize, it is because the one before missed something. Or they just bandwagon. That's also an issue. IF EVERYTHING HAS BEEN COVERED, LEAVE IT BE!
Sep 10 2011 05:26 PM

Deikailo Call me Toast BeyRank: #19 (1,449)	Post: #28 If you want a forum with good writers, join an actual writing forum. This is a forum for Beyblade. Although the WBO allows you to express yourself through the Your Creations forum, it's not a priority nor should it be. Gaiaonline is really good for improving your writing for the level that you guys are at. That's how I got better at drawing. You should try going there and see how you fair instead of making complaints here.
Sep 10 2011 06:16 PM

Temporal Upper Dragon	Post: #29 But the forum wasn't always like that. Night was a damn good writer, if I recall. There wasn't as many bad stories back in late 2010. Maybe it isn't a priority but a nosedive is a nosedive regardless of how important.
Sep 10 2011 06:40 PM

Deikailo Call me Toast BeyRank: #19 (1,449)	Post: #30 (Sep 10 2011 06:40 PM)Temporal Wrote: But the forum wasn't always like that. Night was a damn good writer, if I recall. There wasn't as many bad stories back in late 2010. Maybe it isn't a priority but a nosedive is a nosedive regardless of how important. Are you kidding me? The forum has been like that since 2009. http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-BeyBlade...-Chapter-2
Sep 10 2011 06:51 PM

Temporal Upper Dragon	Post: #31 (This post was last modified: Sep 10 2011 06:56 PM by Temporal.) Unfortunately, that is slightly better than some of the recent stories. I never said that bad stories didn't exist, I said that they didn't appear in waves like they do now. One case of a worse story: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-bey-stor...-unleashed
Sep 10 2011 06:55 PM

Poseidon God of Sea BeyRank: #702 (1,050)	Post: #32 Man, i hope im not one of the carp one... Anyway, the obvious ones that arent good happens. put it this way though, at least they are brave enough to put it on. Just give the constructive advice, try focus o the good parts a little, and tell them how to improve. look at this (Click to View) "Play times over" Thanks CRUelty Plastics request thread, request your combo \|\| What to Buy in Plastics \|\| Plastic Parts Discussion Competative Heavy Metal System Combos\|\| HMS Parts Disscusion
Sep 10 2011 06:58 PM

Temporal Upper Dragon	Post: #33 And if there are no "good parts"? When we DO try to be as nice as possible, the terrible writers get angry and start going off.
Sep 10 2011 07:01 PM

Deikailo Call me Toast BeyRank: #19 (1,449)	Post: #34 Yo, that example was from when we only had like, 5,000 members so of course it was not overflooded like it is now. The show wasn't even being aired. I think the main problem is everyone creates a new topic for each other their work. Why can't you just name topics as [STORY] Deikailo's Tales and just include all of my work in the OP if I have more than one piece. Put everything in spoilers. Done. If I want one for my art: [DRAWING] Deikailo's Doodles and again, update the OP. Graphic battles should not have a new topic for everything.
Sep 10 2011 07:02 PM

Raigeko13 MtG Player	Post: #35 (This post was last modified: Sep 10 2011 07:08 PM by Raigeko13.) I'm gonna go with DeX. Children are resistant to things like what we tell them "use better grammar" , "it has no plot, try harder" The problem is us. EDIT: I don't feel like making a big fancy post explaining why lol
Sep 10 2011 07:03 PM

Poseidon God of Sea BeyRank: #702 (1,050)	Post: #36 (Sep 10 2011 07:01 PM)Temporal Wrote: And if there are no "good parts"? When we DO try to be as nice as possible, the terrible writers get angry and start going off. Dont reply then. Or just say "you must have had alot courage to put this on" you know. Something that everything has in common. look at this (Click to View) "Play times over" Thanks CRUelty Plastics request thread, request your combo \|\| What to Buy in Plastics \|\| Plastic Parts Discussion Competative Heavy Metal System Combos\|\| HMS Parts Disscusion
Sep 10 2011 07:06 PM

Temporal Upper Dragon	Post: #37 (Sep 10 2011 07:02 PM)Deikailo Wrote: Yo, that example was from when we only had like, 5,000 members so of course it was not overflooded like it is now. The show wasn't even being aired. I think the main problem is everyone creates a new topic for each other their work. Why can't you just name topics as [STORY] Deikailo's Tales and just include all of my work in the OP if I have more than one piece. Put everything in spoilers. Done. If I want one for my art: [DRAWING] Deikailo's Doodles and again, update the OP. Graphic battles should not have a new topic for everything. Actually, that is a good idea, for more than just saving space. One: maybe it will encourage people to use effort, since if you have a beyond terrible story, not many people will read your others. Two: You don't have crud like some story from back in January called "The Crazy Story!", and thus, less closures. Three: Criticism can apply to all stories, not just one. Thus, we don't all look like total jerks. On saying "At least you had courage" is kinda cheap, and is simply the mindless praise we were talking about. Maybe we are the issue by stacking the same points over and over. Which is why one should not post criticism unless one of the three are present: One: The previous criticism is ignored. In this case, just quote the old post and say "Nothing has changed" or "Still applies" Two: You have something new to say. Three: You are referring to a newer chapter. If so, SAY SO.
Sep 10 2011 07:12 PM

Deikailo Call me Toast BeyRank: #19 (1,449)	Post: #38 (This post was last modified: Sep 10 2011 07:49 PM by Deikailo.) Maybe if there was a stickied topic called "The WBO Library" where, in the OP, there are completed works of members who have taken the effort to edit their work to make it a legible and entertaining piece. All works would have to be completed and approved by the powers that be in order to be added to the "library". This would not only encourage people to stay focused on their work and actually complete it, but they will also now have the incentive to actually improve.
Sep 10 2011 07:36 PM

Temporal Upper Dragon	Post: #39 Oh, I really like that idea. Run it by a moderator if you already haven't?
Sep 10 2011 07:42 PM

.:J:. Beserk Masquerade	Post: #40 I would like that, it would be good, so that you didn't have to search for stories and you can browse the authors
Sep 10 2011 08:07 PM