Death Discussion

gibsonmac · Dec 04 2011 06:40 AM

(Nov 23 2011 01:29 AM)Hazel Wrote: Well, what I'm seeing is that Death and Basalt performed nearly identically.

So that is technically valuable information.

But that was only against each other, and in a match that hinges on height advantage. To see if they perform identically overall, you should test mirror combos, Basalt TH170CS vs. Death TH170CS, and then BD145CS etc... then test the same combos against Blitz 100RF, VariAres Ch120RF, Beat GB145RF or whatever attack wheels/combos you have/like using, I mean you know this already I'm sure, but it would be great if you could do you something like that, there are only a few Death/Basalt comparisons posted.

Hazel · Dec 04 2011 06:46 AM

When I've got the money available to throw away on buying duplicates of every part worth having, sure. I post test results out of my own interests, not due to some obligation to be a beyblade martyr.

I have, informally(as in, without specifically recording results, but otherwise proceeding as normal), tested Death BD145CS and TH170 heights against Blitz and Beat combos. The only thing that stood out was Death BD145CS doing as well as Basalt - and TH170 combos being easier to KO than Basalt combos. Noticably so.

*th!nk* · Dec 08 2011 12:51 AM

Death versus Blitz (and comparative with Duo).

MF Blitz Unicorno II 90R2F vs MF-H Death Aquario BD145CS

Detail (Click to View)

Blitz: 6/20 = 30% (All KO)
Death: 14/20 = 70% (13OS, 1KO)

Blitz pushed it around really nicely, with a bit more practice I might be able to get Blitz's winrate up a few points, but yeah, Death is solid.

That said, Death does seem easier to land hits on than Duo, thanks to the winged sections of its core.

By comparison, I only did 10 rounds with Duo because it 100%'d Blitz. Even did two more after this just to check it wasn't me messing it up, but nope, Duo has less recoil.

Will have a test vs phantom in terms of stamina later, and I'll post duo vs phantom and duo vs death over in the duo thread. That's the plan, anyway, I've realised there's a lot of testing to be done!

MF Death Cancer AD145WD vs MF Phantom Cancer AD145WD

MF’s to reduce recoil, Equal wear on WD’s (both have been used for equal rounds of tests against each other today, and were mint at start), swapped after 5 rounds, replaced with completely fresh WD's after 10 rounds, swapped after 15. Alternating launches, Phantom launched first R1

Detail (Click to View)

Phantom: 14/20 = 70% (all OS)
Death: 6/20 = 30% (5OS, 1KO)

Closer than Duo, Phantom relied on WD’s LAD. Death seems to have a similar ability to basalt, though, grinding down the opponent.

Comparative Tests with Duo

Chrisfire360 · Dec 12 2011 02:27 AM

Could somebody test Death anything s130 MF vs. MF-H Basalt Kerbecs bd145 mb/cs? I would test it but I have to study for tests. I have been messing around with it in my free time and it does ok against this

**Stars** · Dec 12 2011 03:07 AM

@Chrisfire360

MF-M Death Uranus S130MF(Attack Mode) MF-H Basalt Bull BD145CS

DU:10 OS 3 KO

BB: 7 KO

2nd Testing

MF-M Death Uranus S130MF (Defense Mode) Vs. MF-H Basalt Bull BD145CS

DU:5 OS 5 KO
BB: 10 KO

Defense on Death is worse that all I have to say. The core of Death is preventing BD145 on Basalt from Spin Stealing

Overall it nice but BD145MF on Death is way better But S130MF is better in Attack Mode after all

*Dan* · Dec 13 2011 03:24 AM

Spin-stealing can't occur with two beyblades of the same spin-direction.

By referring to it as spin-stealing in the first place would mean one of the beys would actually be taking spin away from the opposing beyblade and not giving any back. We don't have a single beyblade with that capability.

Spin-Sonic · Dec 21 2011 12:16 AM

I have a few tests here. I really hope they help I want to contribute the right way.

Phantom Cancer AD145WD vs. Death Cancer AD145WD
Phantom: 8/20 (3KO 5OS)
Death: 12/20 (All OS)

Mold Switch
Sonokong Phantom Cancer AD145WD vs. Death Cancer AD145WD
Phantom:19/20 (1KO 18OS)
Death: 1/20(1OS)

My phantom which is takara version had a lot of trouble with Death for the most part. When I switched and used Bluezee's sonokong phantom, results were a lot different. His is heavier than mine weighing 48.89 grams and mine at 46.05 grams.

Bleik · Dec 21 2011 12:21 AM

49g!?! Are you sure?
Anyway, Which modes where both wheels in?

Hazel · Dec 21 2011 12:22 AM

(Dec 21 2011 12:21 AM)Bleik Wrote: 49g!?! Are you sure?
Anyway, Which modes where both wheels in?

http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Weight-i...n-testings

Spin-Sonic · Dec 21 2011 12:26 AM

Phantom was in Stamina mode as well as Death. Attack mode did not provide different results.

ShadowL-Drago · Dec 21 2011 12:28 AM

(Dec 21 2011 12:26 AM)Spin-Sonic Wrote: Phantom was in Stamina mode as well as Death. Attack mode did not provide different results.

Death does not have a Stamina Mode.

Spin-Sonic · Dec 21 2011 12:30 AM

My apologizes. I meant to say defense mode. I was thinking of Duo at the moment.

Glowfire1 · Dec 21 2011 06:17 PM

49g ? are you sure, because teh normal weight of a phantom is 42-42.8 g, and sonokong has 44g maximum
49g and 46g is impossible
have you some photos?

*th!nk* · Dec 21 2011 07:19 PM

More importantly, was the scale calibrated with a good calibration weight?

Spin-Sonic · Dec 22 2011 12:16 AM

(Dec 21 2011 07:19 PM)th!nk Wrote: More importantly, was the scale calibrated with a good calibration weight?

Yes. They were weighed and the scale was reset and recalibrated multiple times before and after these tests. This is not the only one that is like this. Every sonokong mold I own or Bluezee own of the newer beyblades are much heavier.

ShadowDragonZG · Dec 22 2011 04:15 AM

Wow some really great testing! i am really suprised stock death beat Basalt BD145CS,can't wait to get my death and start doing some testing Smile

Glowfire1 · Dec 22 2011 05:05 PM

spin sonic that´s impossible, 49 g is to much for a phantom, the maximum for a sonokong is 44 g, and 46 g for TT phantom is to much too
Have you some photos or a video?

*th!nk* · Dec 22 2011 05:25 PM

If the scales are calibrated then we have little reason to doubt it, why would someone bother to fabricate weights for that kind of thing?

Though, Spin-Sonic, it would be cool if you could weigh a wheel we know has a fairly steady weight (Flame may be a good choice), from Pre-4D, just to eliminate every possibility with the scales Smile

I know it's a pain, but I'm sure you understand why we're all a little cautious given how extreme that weight seems Tongue_out

Hazel · Dec 23 2011 11:34 PM

(Dec 22 2011 05:05 PM)Glowfire1 Wrote: spin sonic that´s impossible, 49 g is to much for a phantom, the maximum for a sonokong is 44 g, and 46 g for TT phantom is to much too
Have you some photos or a video?

You really need to read the thread I linked earlier. http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Weight-i...n-testings

If Basalt can vary by 5-6g, so can Phantom.

Glowfire1 · Dec 24 2011 06:39 PM

ehh a basalt which wieghts 49 or 50 grams is not 5-6 g heavier and I read the thread, and phantom can´t, only when you would make it from an other material, did you ever see a phantom which weights 46 g ? I think no

gibsonmac Uberschall	Post: #181 (Nov 23 2011 01:29 AM)Hazel Wrote: Well, what I'm seeing is that Death and Basalt performed nearly identically. So that is technically valuable information. But that was only against each other, and in a match that hinges on height advantage. To see if they perform identically overall, you should test mirror combos, Basalt TH170CS vs. Death TH170CS, and then BD145CS etc... then test the same combos against Blitz 100RF, VariAres Ch120RF, Beat GB145RF or whatever attack wheels/combos you have/like using, I mean you know this already I'm sure, but it would be great if you could do you something like that, there are only a few Death/Basalt comparisons posted. The First thing every blader should buy is MF and MF2... Metal Faces are necessary people!! Know them, Live them, LOVE them, find them on eBay if you have to, just get them!!!
Dec 04 2011 06:40 AM

Hazel Octorok Shmoctorok!	Post: #182 When I've got the money available to throw away on buying duplicates of every part worth having, sure. I post test results out of my own interests, not due to some obligation to be a beyblade martyr. I have, informally(as in, without specifically recording results, but otherwise proceeding as normal), tested Death BD145CS and TH170 heights against Blitz and Beat combos. The only thing that stood out was Death BD145CS doing as well as Basalt - and TH170 combos being easier to KO than Basalt combos. Noticably so. The Octopus of The Committee.
Dec 04 2011 06:46 AM

*th!nk* ~Burning Bright~	Post: #183 (This post was last modified: Dec 08 2011 02:26 AM by th!nk.) Death versus Blitz (and comparative with Duo). MF Blitz Unicorno II 90R2F vs MF-H Death Aquario BD145CS Detail (Click to View) 1 BKO 2 BKO 3 DOS 4 DOS 5 DOS 6 DOS 7 DOS 8 DOS 9 BKO 10 DOS 11 BKO 12 DKO 13 BKO (Low RPM!) 14 DOS 15 DOS 16 DOS 17 BKO 18 DOS 19 DOS 20 DOS Blitz: 6/20 = 30% (All KO) Death: 14/20 = 70% (13OS, 1KO) Blitz pushed it around really nicely, with a bit more practice I might be able to get Blitz's winrate up a few points, but yeah, Death is solid. That said, Death does seem easier to land hits on than Duo, thanks to the winged sections of its core. By comparison, I only did 10 rounds with Duo because it 100%'d Blitz. Even did two more after this just to check it wasn't me messing it up, but nope, Duo has less recoil. Will have a test vs phantom in terms of stamina later, and I'll post duo vs phantom and duo vs death over in the duo thread. That's the plan, anyway, I've realised there's a lot of testing to be done! MF Death Cancer AD145WD vs MF Phantom Cancer AD145WD MF’s to reduce recoil, Equal wear on WD’s (both have been used for equal rounds of tests against each other today, and were mint at start), swapped after 5 rounds, replaced with completely fresh WD's after 10 rounds, swapped after 15. Alternating launches, Phantom launched first R1 Detail (Click to View) 1 POS 2 POS 3 POS 4 POS 5 DOS 6 POS 7 POS 8 POS 9 DKO 10 DOS 11 POS 12 POS 13 POS 14 POS 15 POS 16 DOS 17 DOS 18 POS 19 DOS 20 POS Phantom: 14/20 = 70% (all OS) Death: 6/20 = 30% (5OS, 1KO) Closer than Duo, Phantom relied on WD’s LAD. Death seems to have a similar ability to basalt, though, grinding down the opponent. Comparative Tests with Duo Team "I Joined This Team So People Will Stop Sending Me Team Invites" - They can take our thread, but they can never take our "team spirit"! Like Plastics? Get Talking! Plastics Q&A\|Plastics General Discussion\|Plastic Parts Discussion My Blog: Updated February 28th!: "The Mighty 10bBistool Pts 4, 4b, and 5 - Now Up!!!" MFB stuff I've written: (Click to View) Upper Attack Or Upward Smash?, Choosing a CW: A Simple Guide, Building Good Combinations! Plastics Resources: (Click to View) Plastics Weight Disk Identification Chart!, Plastic SG/Tip/Base/etc Compatibility Doc, H-Code Product List (Plastics), Hasbro G Revolution Parts List New Here? Read My Guide to the WBO: How to Make Good Posts and Not Get Warned! Youtube\|Twitter\|Blargh
Dec 08 2011 12:51 AM

Chrisfire360	Post: #184 Could somebody test Death anything s130 MF vs. MF-H Basalt Kerbecs bd145 mb/cs? I would test it but I have to study for tests. I have been messing around with it in my free time and it does ok against this
Dec 12 2011 02:27 AM

Stars Maryland Prince	Post: #185 @Chrisfire360 MF-M Death Uranus S130MF(Attack Mode) MF-H Basalt Bull BD145CS DU:10 OS 3 KO BB: 7 KO 2nd Testing MF-M Death Uranus S130MF (Defense Mode) Vs. MF-H Basalt Bull BD145CS DU:5 OS 5 KO BB: 10 KO Defense on Death is worse that all I have to say. The core of Death is preventing BD145 on Basalt from Spin Stealing Overall it nice but BD145MF on Death is way better But S130MF is better in Attack Mode after all (Jun 18 2011 08:31 PM)Kai-V Wrote: People are babies that need to be spoonfed these days. oh yeah babies need mommy
Dec 12 2011 03:07 AM

*Dan* zain r u there bro?	Post: #186 Spin-stealing can't occur with two beyblades of the same spin-direction. By referring to it as spin-stealing in the first place would mean one of the beys would actually be taking spin away from the opposing beyblade and not giving any back. We don't have a single beyblade with that capability. Hacking someone without their permission is illegal.
Dec 13 2011 03:24 AM

Spin-Sonic Formerly Karice	Post: #187 I have a few tests here. I really hope they help I want to contribute the right way. Phantom Cancer AD145WD vs. Death Cancer AD145WD Phantom: 8/20 (3KO 5OS) Death: 12/20 (All OS) Mold Switch Sonokong Phantom Cancer AD145WD vs. Death Cancer AD145WD Phantom:19/20 (1KO 18OS) Death: 1/20(1OS) My phantom which is takara version had a lot of trouble with Death for the most part. When I switched and used Bluezee's sonokong phantom, results were a lot different. His is heavier than mine weighing 48.89 grams and mine at 46.05 grams.
Dec 21 2011 12:16 AM

Bleik I am an Idiot!	Post: #188 49g!?! Are you sure? Anyway, Which modes where both wheels in? Bleik Wrote:Bring Back Bluezee!
Dec 21 2011 12:21 AM

Hazel Octorok Shmoctorok!	Post: #189 (Dec 21 2011 12:21 AM)Bleik Wrote: 49g!?! Are you sure? Anyway, Which modes where both wheels in? http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Weight-i...n-testings The Octopus of The Committee.
Dec 21 2011 12:22 AM

Spin-Sonic Formerly Karice	Post: #190 Phantom was in Stamina mode as well as Death. Attack mode did not provide different results.
Dec 21 2011 12:26 AM

ShadowL-Drago The Dragon Emperor	Post: #191 (Dec 21 2011 12:26 AM)Spin-Sonic Wrote: Phantom was in Stamina mode as well as Death. Attack mode did not provide different results. Death does not have a Stamina Mode. ALL NORTH TEXAS BLADERS CHECK THIS THREAD OUT!!! http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-DFW-Texa...rth-Thread Check out my YouTube Channel! I take battle requests! SUB http://www.youtube.com/user/PozJoker4444?feature=guide
Dec 21 2011 12:28 AM

Spin-Sonic Formerly Karice	Post: #192 My apologizes. I meant to say defense mode. I was thinking of Duo at the moment.
Dec 21 2011 12:30 AM

Glowfire1	Post: #193 49g ? are you sure, because teh normal weight of a phantom is 42-42.8 g, and sonokong has 44g maximum 49g and 46g is impossible have you some photos? please klick my pokemon , it gets xp and will be stronger I want the strongest pokemon^^ THX
Dec 21 2011 06:17 PM

*th!nk* ~Burning Bright~	Post: #194 More importantly, was the scale calibrated with a good calibration weight? Team "I Joined This Team So People Will Stop Sending Me Team Invites" - They can take our thread, but they can never take our "team spirit"! Like Plastics? Get Talking! Plastics Q&A\|Plastics General Discussion\|Plastic Parts Discussion My Blog: Updated February 28th!: "The Mighty 10bBistool Pts 4, 4b, and 5 - Now Up!!!" MFB stuff I've written: (Click to View) Upper Attack Or Upward Smash?, Choosing a CW: A Simple Guide, Building Good Combinations! Plastics Resources: (Click to View) Plastics Weight Disk Identification Chart!, Plastic SG/Tip/Base/etc Compatibility Doc, H-Code Product List (Plastics), Hasbro G Revolution Parts List New Here? Read My Guide to the WBO: How to Make Good Posts and Not Get Warned! Youtube\|Twitter\|Blargh
Dec 21 2011 07:19 PM

Spin-Sonic Formerly Karice	Post: #195 (Dec 21 2011 07:19 PM)th!nk Wrote: More importantly, was the scale calibrated with a good calibration weight? Yes. They were weighed and the scale was reset and recalibrated multiple times before and after these tests. This is not the only one that is like this. Every sonokong mold I own or Bluezee own of the newer beyblades are much heavier.
Dec 22 2011 12:16 AM

ShadowDragonZG ~Galaxy Overlord~	Post: #196 Wow some really great testing! i am really suprised stock death beat Basalt BD145CS,can't wait to get my death and start doing some testing
Dec 22 2011 04:15 AM

Glowfire1	Post: #197 spin sonic that´s impossible, 49 g is to much for a phantom, the maximum for a sonokong is 44 g, and 46 g for TT phantom is to much too Have you some photos or a video? please klick my pokemon , it gets xp and will be stronger I want the strongest pokemon^^ THX
Dec 22 2011 05:05 PM

*th!nk* ~Burning Bright~	Post: #198 If the scales are calibrated then we have little reason to doubt it, why would someone bother to fabricate weights for that kind of thing? Though, Spin-Sonic, it would be cool if you could weigh a wheel we know has a fairly steady weight (Flame may be a good choice), from Pre-4D, just to eliminate every possibility with the scales I know it's a pain, but I'm sure you understand why we're all a little cautious given how extreme that weight seems Team "I Joined This Team So People Will Stop Sending Me Team Invites" - They can take our thread, but they can never take our "team spirit"! Like Plastics? Get Talking! Plastics Q&A\|Plastics General Discussion\|Plastic Parts Discussion My Blog: Updated February 28th!: "The Mighty 10bBistool Pts 4, 4b, and 5 - Now Up!!!" MFB stuff I've written: (Click to View) Upper Attack Or Upward Smash?, Choosing a CW: A Simple Guide, Building Good Combinations! Plastics Resources: (Click to View) Plastics Weight Disk Identification Chart!, Plastic SG/Tip/Base/etc Compatibility Doc, H-Code Product List (Plastics), Hasbro G Revolution Parts List New Here? Read My Guide to the WBO: How to Make Good Posts and Not Get Warned! Youtube\|Twitter\|Blargh
Dec 22 2011 05:25 PM

Hazel Octorok Shmoctorok!	Post: #199 (Dec 22 2011 05:05 PM)Glowfire1 Wrote: spin sonic that´s impossible, 49 g is to much for a phantom, the maximum for a sonokong is 44 g, and 46 g for TT phantom is to much too Have you some photos or a video? You really need to read the thread I linked earlier. http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Weight-i...n-testings If Basalt can vary by 5-6g, so can Phantom. The Octopus of The Committee.
Dec 23 2011 11:34 PM

Glowfire1	Post: #200 ehh a basalt which wieghts 49 or 50 grams is not 5-6 g heavier and I read the thread, and phantom can´t, only when you would make it from an other material, did you ever see a phantom which weights 46 g ? I think no please klick my pokemon , it gets xp and will be stronger I want the strongest pokemon^^ THX
Dec 24 2011 06:39 PM